Look at this.

[David Goss]

but playing devils advocate here, in the aforementioned 'pointless extra work' there are the two words 'extra work'.

 

the origins of an industry perhaps

 

I see the tree as being more important than money. you have your ideals and i have mine.

[David Goss]

Oh i also missed the "where are the maiden trees" well they were probably cut down during the wars when the need for wood was getting to be more than our forests could handle. Thats just an educated guess but if you want to see proper big healthy ancient trees you have to get off our small island and go where man doesnt

[ecolojim]

I see the tree as being more important than money. you have your ideals and i have mine.

 

Read it again. You know not my ideals!

[Bolt]

but playing devils advocate here, in the aforementioned 'pointless extra work' there are the two words 'extra work'.

 

the origins of an industry perhaps

 

I see the tree as being more important than money. you have your ideals and i have mine.

 

David, it may be better if you take the trouble to read a post before replying to it.

 

For instance, I would have thought the clue was in the name ecolojim, wouldn't you.

[David Goss]

Read it again. You know not my ideals!

 

Sorry, it was late, i was tired and getting angry and confused

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Sorry, it was late, i was tired and getting angry and confused

 

 

yes, your passion and conviction is both obvious and acknowledged, but do take some time to get up to speed with folk on here, who they are and what they do before assuming too much.

 

were a good crew here:thumbup1:

[ecolojim]

No harm done, all i was pertaining to, is at some point (when adam was a lad), there must have developed a divide between tree fellers and those who specialised in working on trees 'differently' perhaps specialising in managing and harvesting pollard materials. Eventually mans seeming need to exert dominance over nature developed further to working on trees for aesthetic reasons, but my train of thought goes, that it would be these pollard workers who were more likely to take up that 'contract'? which would mean that modern arb may have pollarding to thank in part for its genesis? It's a theory anyway

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

No harm done, all i was pertaining to, is at some point (when adam was a lad), there must have developed a divide between tree fellers and those who specialised in working on trees 'differently' perhaps specialising in managing and harvesting pollard materials. Eventually mans seeming need to exert dominance over nature developed further to working on trees for aesthetic reasons, but my train of thought goes, that it would be these pollard workers who were more likely to take up that 'contract'? which would mean that modern arb may have pollarding to thank in part for its genesis? It's a theory anyway

 

and not a bad one, in fact if we go even further (ive said this before) we may well find that it was sailors who harvested the bits they needed.

[David Goss]

No harm done, all i was pertaining to, is at some point (when adam was a lad), there must have developed a divide between tree fellers and those who specialised in working on trees 'differently' perhaps specialising in managing and harvesting pollard materials. Eventually mans seeming need to exert dominance over nature developed further to working on trees for aesthetic reasons, but my train of thought goes, that it would be these pollard workers who were more likely to take up that 'contract'? which would mean that modern arb may have pollarding to thank in part for its genesis? It's a theory anyway

 

Thanks for being so understanding:thumbup1:

Yes that is a good theory, and also raises the point that pollarding was done for production. A production of timber that we no longer need so much of if at all.

Nowadays however pollarding is sadly done to give old mrs Smith or whoever the view across the river she was wanting (for a year or 2 anyway). Or to give her more light on her lawn (for that same year or 2). Or to stop so many leaves from giving her gardener such a hard time raking up (umm for how long?). The list of reasons goes on but after all the work trying to keep her ugly stumps under control, Who benefits from this? Mrs Smith? having spent a considerable amount of hard cash on the so called arborist that was happy to do the work no questions asked in the first place. Maybe its the tree that benefits from having started its first 100 years growing naturally and looking big and beautiful to being reduced to a rotting hairy stump with lots of lovely fungi eating away at its core? Maybe its Mrs Smiths children that benefit from inheriting the tree that they decide to get cut down because one of their children broke their leg while climbing on it and a big lump came off in the hand?

I think i will stop there but i think you get the picture and i am sure you all know this already.

So my questions and hopefully my last post on this subject because its getting old and needs to be resolved, are....

 

1) What are the so called benefits from pollarding? apart from making cash out of poor old Mrs Smith that knows no better and the only use i can see that is saving an ancient dying tree from complete removal.

2) How can anyone say that a pollarded tree looks better than its natural form?

3) Why is this still practiced today and the people that do it not put in jail for endangering the lives of the puplic?

 

I have many more questions but if anyone can answer these 3 with legitimate answers then that will satisfy me and i will move on to talking about something that doesnt end up in an argument, like lady gaga being a hermaphrodite or something else i have spotted in other threads:001_tt2:

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

I think i will stop there but i think you get the picture and i am sure you all know this already.

So my questions and hopefully my last post on this subject because its getting old and needs to be resolved, are....

 

1) What are the so called benefits from pollarding? apart from making cash out of poor old Mrs Smith that knows no better and the only use i can see that is saving an ancient dying tree from complete removal.

2) How can anyone say that a pollarded tree looks better than its natural form?

3) Why is this still practiced today and the people that do it not put in jail for endangering the lives of the puplic?

:

 

1) pollarding produces a tree with minimal loading, a more efficient transport netwrok and photosynthetic area.

2) how can you deny the beuty of an ancient tree, and pollards are the oldest.

3) because it is an accepted practice in all but elitist arboricultural circles.