For Mrtree and Hammy

[mrtree]

Looking at the last images I would not be concerned about the trees toppling or the stem breaking.

[mrtree]

Tree statics is just another tool to use in evaluating and understanding trees. It is not the be all to end all but it can help to inform our decisions. Using the online calculators is an interesting learning experience.

 

Ultimately the arborist can only present information and opinions, the tree owner will make a final decision.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Looking at the last images I would not be concerned about the trees toppling or the stem breaking.

 

 

you and me both:thumbup1:

[Stephen Blair]

Heres a shaky video of the unions at 35 secs, i really need to slow my camera work down lol

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JQEuR0R1sw]YouTube - rothesay beech tree 030[/ame]

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Tree statics is just another tool to use in evaluating and understanding trees. It is not the be all to end all but it can help to inform our decisions. Using the online calculators is an interesting learning experience.

 

Ultimately the arborist can only present information and opinions, the tree owner will make a final decision.

 

as an experienced tree assessor, which you obviously are, at what stage would you bring in the SIA method? first line?

[Tom D]

Looking at the last images I would not be concerned about the trees toppling or the stem breaking.

 

I'd have wanted a good look at the state of the unions at that point before making a statement like that, looks to me like a potential failiure site. I cleared a big limb like that off a brand new bmw and a golf gti only a couple of months ago. If the client is worried and there is a potentila for failiure, why not do as the customer wishes. I did exactly this today re an old syc pollard with a basal cavity, I gave them the option of a heavy reduction to save the tree... but if they want it down....

 

the customer is always right:001_smile:

[mrtree]

Lets talk about SIA and SIM elsewhere and how we assess trees. Suffice to say I look at a tree and try to determine if the tree is obviously so decrepit and in a location it needs to come down. If the anwers does not jump out at me in 30 seconds then I start to think about methods of assessments and what are the most likely parts of the tree to fail.

 

That being said my obviously needs to be removed and everybody elses is entirely different.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

a 25% reduction would have seen this tree so far within saftey peramiters you could have offere a written garauntee under all but hurricane conditions! the wood hadnt even begun to embrittle as it does in old age, this trees genetics where thoroughbred.

 

a job i would off refused, and I have done this recently, a large oak.

[Stephen Blair]

so, are you ready for another little video??

[mrtree]

I'd have wanted a good look at the state of the unions at that point before making a statement like that, looks to me like a potential failiure site. I cleared a big limb like that off a brand new bmw and a golf gti only a couple of months ago. If the client is worried and there is a potentila for failiure, why not do as the customer wishes. I did exactly this today re an old syc pollard with a basal cavity, I gave them the option of a heavy reduction to save the tree... but if they want it down....

 

the customer is always right:001_smile:

 

Two points

 

1) stem breakage does not refer to unions. Branch breakage is is another place to look.

 

2) while "the customer is always right" we can discuss on this forum other options. The discussion on this and other threads is a learning experience and a theoritical exercise for me, not a chance to save a specific tree. I can only look at a few photos here, not get a feel for the tree and its setting and thus any opinion is based on that and experience, not the situation on the ground.