Civil unrest,FUEL COSTS,

[Oakwilt]

I'd probably believe the oil forecast from that ex-Bush energy advisor....Bush and his people are spot on with accurate assessments of WMD's and who the real terrorists are (brown people, or, people not bright white and don't love Jesus). So far everything Bush has done to help America stay strong and respected in the world (after taking over from those God-hating communist Liberal homosexuals) has advanced our society to be the richest in the world, so rich China is our friend now and left-wing dictators around the world are investing in our great industries that are growing beyond all expectation. Blacks in Africa and Arabs tresspassing in Isreal are afraid of us and jealous of our rich resources that we give away free to struggling nations for nothing mroe than a hope they will soon be just like us and leave poverty and Godlessness behind. Bush follows - and contributes to order and laws made to insure the world will never again have Hitlers or Pol Pots and we're even giving away heating oil free (or at low cost) to unfortunate Mexicans living under brutal dictators (that support gay marriage) in Central America and makes sure they all have jobs picking bananas or growing coffee where before they lived in caves and worshipped chicken bones and sometimes ate their own children.

 

America has a ton of oil and shares it throughout the world, only taking a little bit for our own use and that's mostly used for short efficient trips to hospitals and busses for school kids 'cause we're driving the most efficient cars invented...we invented them!!

 

There's no oil shortage and the companies that left wingers claim are profiting record incomes, well, they work hard to get us our fuel and are using those monies to make better cars, like 70miles per gallon cars which we're inventing here and all the world is jealous...that's why they want to terrorize us.

 

Help Bush and America by burning more fuel, and light some fires to burn more forests - the land God gave us to farm corn on, not save some dirty little furry animal.

 

There's plenty of fuel and plenty of food, Bush said so.

[Dagmar]

I could add to the horses rears list, but Mr Ed has made a fine point with out me. I do very much expect Dagmar to come in at some point with a counter list of qualified people. Hopefully not ones with a vested interest in the subjest.

 

Whilst there is a counter view to peak oil theory and it has its advocates it is not as credible as that which states that we are over the peak and we now have only a diminishing reserve.

 

But, you need to remember that this is based on what we know is available as recoverable. Oil that is uneconomic to obtain now will become economic if the price of oil stabilises at its current or a higher price. Also, can we be sure that no new reserves will be discovered?

 

The price of oil remaining over $100.00 per barrel also makes the extraction and processing of oil shale feasible, although this has to be weighed against an environmental impact that would be catastrophic.

 

Even if you assume that we will locate and extract more oil it is a finite resource and we should be planning to live with the possibility of a supply that is much reduced and/or expensive.

This has implications for the poorest levels of society, in terms of everyday living. It also has major implications for agriculture, trade and industry. It would force us all to live in a much more sustainable fashion. We would need to recreate local food chains and make use of mass transit solutions rather than eat imported guavas and drive ourselves on a 200 yard journey to buy some milk. We would need to eat much less meat, which is really a luxury food item that we take far too much for granted. For many these will be hard habits to break.

 

Sustainable food production is possible (arguably desirable) in the British Isles, but would need to see radical changes in agriculture, probably switching to a permaculture approach. It would also need people to take more control over their own lives – again something that many will find problematic.

 

Power needs to be addressed now, with the only viable option being a programme of new nuclear powers stations. The inefficiency and unreliability of wind power rule it out as an alternative, along with solar power, because other than in some minor domestic installations, it is unworkable. In any case, if the current experiments with nuclear fusion continue to be successful then it will be 'bye bye' to the oil and gas industries anyway.

 

Many on this forum have much to share regarding sustainable living and the skills needed to achieve it. Perhaps there is the scope for a new forum section on this subject?

[Oakwilt]

Those proposals like "permaculture" and "sustainability" sound subversive to our great God-given oil culture. Adam and Eve were shunned out of paradise for the same sort of 'search' for alternatives. What Christianity gave us (the endless oil reserves underground) to use and burn with impunity, shall be used just as that and talk of finding "other" means is almost blasphemous. Why do you think we Americans elected the Bush's and Dick Cheney (a wonderfully successful oil man) to run our country and stabilize the rest of the world?

 

If Jesus were alive today (blame the Jewish people), he would drive a Chevrolet Super Suburban 200 yards to get his mocha-almond double fudge Latte!!

[Jason James Gairn]

Hi Dagmar, not disappointed in the least. Your post was a relief. Nuclear power is pretty dirty, but I'm an anti nuke kind of guy anyway. (surprise!) I think a possible solution many years in the future would be small community power plants using wind hydro electric and solar. It's only a problem when it has to supply industry. European Anarchists have endorsed small community, decentralized political power etc for decades, maybe that's where we'll end up 50-60 years from now, with my kids running that 40 acre smallholding. I welcome any threads on this subject as its an education we could all do with.

[Mr Ed]

Peak oil is a fact, its just the timescale that is variable. I know that they have just discovered a deep water field with over a billion barrels in Brazil.

[Jason James Gairn]

Peak oil is a fact, its just the timescale that is variable. I know that they have just discovered a deep water field with over a billion barrels in Brazil.

 

In the middle of the Amazon rain forest no doubt.

[Mr Ed]

No, its offshore, under 2 1/2 miles of atlantic.

[Jason James Gairn]

No, its offshore, under 2 1/2 miles of atlantic.

 

`deep water field' kind of gives a clue dosent it? At school I never read the question before answering either.

[Mr Ed]

Go and sit in the corner with this guy...

[Mr Ed]

Brazilian Tupi Oilfield - about 6 billion barrels worth. It shows how we are having to get very clever with our techology to get at it though.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/042008dnbusdeepwater.2c69ab3.html

 

Dagmar is right (as usuall) - sustainable permaculture is the only way forward. Small scale localised power production, and a return to small scale family owned industry.

I'm looking at investing in a small scale wood pelleting plant to start recovering the embodied energy in all the woodchips we produce.