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[Tree monkey 1682]

3 hours ago, Oldfeller said:

Is It Legal To Use Razor Wire Or Barbed Wire In The UK?

Are you wondering, ‘is razor wire legal in the UK?’. It is within your right to set up barbed or razor wires as long as it is an area you own and not a public place. Additionally, you are allowed to put up a barbed wire fence if the fencing belongs to you

 

Razor wire installation questions and answers

WWW.RAZORWIREUK.COM

 

Sorry I tried to delete my post after reading it on the net ,what I dont understand is the ministry of justice pays millions to the home office when its installed on the prisons .

To be honest ive handled both and id rather handle razor wire with no gloves than barbed wire, ive seen what damage it does to animals. 

 

 

[Tree monkey 1682]

4 hours ago, sime42 said:

 

Are there different types of Razor Wire or something? I.e. sharp and non sharp maybe? Any I've ever seen up close hasn't been in the least bit sharp. It's always mystified me, seems like a misnomer. 

 

Perhaps you're referring to the proper, sharp stuff above. I can see that they even sell razor wire in B&Q and Screwfix etc, presumably the blunt version.

 

 

Ive handled razor wire , for aggregate industries in staffordshire ,I prefer razor wire no gloves than barbed wire with gloves, ive seen the long lasting barbed wire injuries to animals than a clean cut .

Whst I cant get my head around is that the ministry of justice pays millions in fines tonne home office  for its use on prisons .

Get that one. 

And I rarely see razor wire installed anywhere close, not even on mod bases near us .

[Oldfeller]

1 hour ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Sorry I tried to delete my post after reading it on the net ,what I dont understand is the ministry of justice pays millions to the home office when its installed on the prisons .

To be honest ive handled both and id rather handle razor wire with no gloves than barbed wire, ive seen what damage it does to animals. 

 

 

It doesn't.

The premise that the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) pays the Home Office for having razor wire on prisons is incorrect. The Ministry of Justice is responsible for its own custodial estate and funds its security measures, including the installation of razor wire, through its own budget. 

Here is a breakdown of how the funding and responsibilities work:

• Ministry of Justice (MoJ) Responsibility: The MoJ has the primary responsibility for the prison system in the UK. This includes all aspects of prison construction, maintenance, and security, which are managed through the His Majesty's Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS).
• Funding for Security: The MoJ provides the funding for security measures like razor wire as part of construction and refurbishment projects. These costs are covered by the MoJ's departmental budget, which is allocated during the government's spending reviews.
• No Inter-departmental Payment for Wire: There is no system where the MoJ pays the Home Office for the physical supply or use of razor wire on prison perimeters. The Home Office is a separate government department with different responsibilities, primarily related to policing, immigration, and national security.
• "Fines" Myth: There is a common "myth" within the prison system that prisons pay fines to other departments or organisations for various issues (e.g., using "illegal" razor wire, regime shutdowns). These "fines" do not exist; any internal penalties are accounted for within the MoJ's own budget and recycled into the next year's spending, not paid to another department like the Home Office. 

In summary, the MoJ manages and pays for its own security infrastructure, including razor wire, to prevent escapes and unauthorised access. The Home Office is not involved in funding or providing this specific equipment to the MoJ

 

I do however have a dislike of both barbed wire and razor wire where animals, livestock and  domestic pets etc,are at risk, but  criminals,incarcerated on outside, , couldn't care less, in fact,, run 400,000 volt through it too.

[Tree monkey 1682]

53 minutes ago, Oldfeller said:

It doesn't.

The premise that the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) pays the Home Office for having razor wire on prisons is incorrect. The Ministry of Justice is responsible for its own custodial estate and funds its security measures, including the installation of razor wire, through its own budget. 

Here is a breakdown of how the funding and responsibilities work:

• Ministry of Justice (MoJ) Responsibility: The MoJ has the primary responsibility for the prison system in the UK. This includes all aspects of prison construction, maintenance, and security, which are managed through the His Majesty's Prison and Probation Service (HMPPS).
• Funding for Security: The MoJ provides the funding for security measures like razor wire as part of construction and refurbishment projects. These costs are covered by the MoJ's departmental budget, which is allocated during the government's spending reviews.
• No Inter-departmental Payment for Wire: There is no system where the MoJ pays the Home Office for the physical supply or use of razor wire on prison perimeters. The Home Office is a separate government department with different responsibilities, primarily related to policing, immigration, and national security.
• "Fines" Myth: There is a common "myth" within the prison system that prisons pay fines to other departments or organisations for various issues (e.g., using "illegal" razor wire, regime shutdowns). These "fines" do not exist; any internal penalties are accounted for within the MoJ's own budget and recycled into the next year's spending, not paid to another department like the Home Office. 

In summary, the MoJ manages and pays for its own security infrastructure, including razor wire, to prevent escapes and unauthorised access. The Home Office is not involved in funding or providing this specific equipment to the MoJ

 

I do however have a dislike of both barbed wire and razor wire where animals, livestock and  domestic pets etc,are at risk, but  criminals,incarcerated on outside, , couldn't care less, in fact,, run 400,000 volt through it 

Sorry I was going to write a response,  stating how and why I know some of the above isn't correct but for legal reasons I cant comment further .

Edited 40 minutes ago by Tree monkey 1682
Legal reasons