NPTC/LANTRA assessment failures

[Tree monkey 1682]

16 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

This thread is going to quickly escalate into bullshittery and bollox of the highest order, largely made up of nonsense and things that never happened, but good luck with the ‘data’.😂

It was me it happend to , and the forwarder was a valtra valmet derived machine .. blame the twat on the forwarder then..

Don't blame someone that is competent,  can even tell you which assessor it was .

I wasn't driving the forwarder, nor was I the assessor..so blame those to useless hunts.  At the end of the day it was a question I answered honestly , and itbwas in the days before candidate feedback

[5thelement]

13 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Don't blame someone that is competent

You clearly were ‘not competent’, hence you failed. 
You didn’t fail because a forwarder driver, who wasn’t even being assessed,couldn’t get your tree down, nor because the assessor was a c*nt.

Edited 8 hours ago by 5thelement

[5thelement]

9 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

and itbwas in the days before candidate feedback

When was this exactly, because candidate feedback has been around forever.

[Tree monkey 1682]

18 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

You clearly were ‘not competent’, hence you failed. 
You didn’t fail because a forwarder driver, who wasn’t even being assessed,couldn’t get your tree down, nor because the assessor was a c*nt.

A forwarder is designed to lift ,not pull.

If u want to untangle tree u use a tractor winch , the tree species was beech /hornbeam. 

And what should of happend is the assessor should have taken over.

I got the tree hung up and couldn't get it unstuck 

[Tree monkey 1682]

19 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

When was this exactly, because candidate feedback has been around forever.

Wasn't around in 2002, ive just got eye slip saying pass fail, 

Ive also got the a3 book that's still saying pass fail in a unit module.

 

[5thelement]

10 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

A forwarder is designed to lift ,not pull.

If u want to untangle tree u use a tractor winch , the tree species was beech /hornbeam. 

And what should of happend is the assessor should have taken over.

I got the tree hung up and couldn't get it unstuck 

I know what the capabilities of a forwarder are and how to untangle a tree 😂.
If you have safely attempted to bring down a hung tree using appropriate methods but where unable to do so, and you arranged mechanical assistance to deal with it, you would not fail, you clearly failed for other things, memory has a funny way of playing tricks. 

[Tree monkey 1682]

7 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

I know what the capabilities of a forwarder are and how to untangle a tree 😂.
If you have safely attempted to bring down a hung tree using appropriate methods but where unable to do so, and you arranged mechanical assistance to deal with it, you would not fail, you clearly failed for other things, memory has a funny way of playing tricks. 

I know Crystal clear what happend and how it happend .

I doubt you know the capabilities of a forwarder, I dont either ...as you will only know if you refer to the operators manual same as tracked carriers.. every machine is different .

The forwarder was on full outreach ,working from a ride ,the tree was still semi attached by hinge. The assessor should of dealt with it not the candidate , and no  feedback .

Wether you like someone as a candidate or not your there to asses them nothing else .

In the end the assessor just took chunks of the tree until it fell to the ground ... not good practice .

[Tree monkey 1682]

14 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

I know what the capabilities of a forwarder are and how to untangle a tree 😂.
If you have safely attempted to bring down a hung tree using appropriate methods but where unable to do so, and you arranged mechanical assistance to deal with it, you would not fail, you clearly failed for other things, memory has a funny way of playing tricks. 

I did everything by the book. Literally 

[5thelement]

1 hour ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

I know Crystal clear what happend and how it happend .

I doubt you know the capabilities of a forwarder, I dont either ...as you will only know if you refer to the operators manual same as tracked carriers.. every machine is different .

The forwarder was on full outreach ,working from a ride ,the tree was still semi attached by hinge. The assessor should of dealt with it not the candidate , and no  feedback .

Wether you like someone as a candidate or not your there to asses them nothing else .

In the end the assessor just took chunks of the tree until it fell to the ground ... not good practice .

I have worked alongside tractor based and purpose built forwarders for over 30 years so I do have a fair idea of their capabilities.

So now the assessor did deal with it, this bullshit is getting deeper by the minute. 😂

[5thelement]

1 hour ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

I did everything by the book. Literally 

Apart from the hinge removal bit?