Domino

There's the Caron utility vehicle available here, can be ag registered also according to BSG.  I doubt they have any used ones, but not crazy pricey new.

Caron Series C Utility Vehicle

WWW.BSGTRACTORSANDMACHINERY.CO.UK

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Caron Series C Utility Vehicle - European Approval as agricultural tractor with total mass 5000 kg and towable...

6 hours ago, Steve Bullman said:

across the board, and my apologies to everyone for not doing it sooner....as in 2 years ago

Correct decision.  This individual was blatantly a troll.  Untrained, unskilled persons giving opinions/advice on such matters is a serious issue.

26 minutes ago, Dan said:

Before this truck I had a toyota dyna, it could carry 1.3 ton legally. That was great, but still often over loaded. When it was time to replace the dyna I decided I'd rather get a truck with the suspension and breaks to handle the work safely.

I've got a 7.5t driver licence, but can't get an o licence for the yard and don't want to move yards. 

I also only do about couple of thousand miles in a busy year mostly around the little villages local to us. I haven't seen a copper for years so it doesn't seem to be such an issue. 

 

I appreciate the idea of this 'downrated approach', finding the right arb truck setup is a tricky one for sure, and most setups in the 3.5t realm are obviously running overweight and or being run into the ground prematurely.  Hence I have considered this approach myself.....not really concerned about police/vosa checks round here, but the big worry for me is insurance, if anything goes awry and it was to be proven to be overweight i'm assuming the s..t would hit the fan at that point.

I dont't know you, but I know theft woes!  Fingers crossed this gets sorted for you, sounds like you've got alot to go on.

All the best.

1 minute ago, dig-dug-dan said:

Does it have bluetooth?

Yes it does.

I have had a CAT S60 for a while now, and it's survived alot of abuse.  This phone is not in a case, it has a steel frame construction and a shatter proof (within reason) screen that can been used with wet hands or gloves. It also has a mega battery.  I highly recommend it.

A nice sheary Friday.  A couple of hold and cuts, on the larger bits. 

10 hours ago, Vespasian said:

Well you ain't learned that some people like to do things different..   I want an ariel friction device.

 

Reg coat use's a rope wrench for light rigging, I suppose you think he's doin something wrong as well....   you know, because his friction device isn't chained to the damned stump...

 

like reg I like to work alone when possible..   so havin a friction device in the tree suits my style..  

If you've got your little heart set on it, then fair enough.

You could try the munter hitch running through a big carabiner, works pretty well ?

57 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

I think I’ll invent a toilet that I can push round the house with me so I don’t have to walk to the toilet if I need a shite.

This was kinda my thinking...do they provide a little loop like dmm pulleys, to attach to the harness??..or does one strop it and wear it like a medallion whilst hossing about the tree?? ?

37 minutes ago, Ratman said:

You gota forgive him Domino, things dont tend to emulate from the bottom of his “tree” bless him!

I will! This is a place to learn, I have learnt many a thing from arbtalk.

Seems more suitable to be used from a platform, as shown in the videos.  

It's a different way of working, doesn't seem appealing to me though.

7 hours ago, Vespasian said:

Who's gonna haul a lump like that up a tree?..

It lives at the base of the tree.  Like friction devices are supposed to.

14 hours ago, josharb87 said:

Its carefully wedged in place with thousands of wooden wedges precisely placed 

Good work...I like it ?

Truck looked exactly the same without the trailer hitched up, btw

Nope, there was another little butt behind that, we'd just whipped it off pre photo, but cheers...have a medal ?

All possibly within limits really, but looks bad ?.

Had a friend bring me over this oak log, and an old mooring block.  My scales only go up to 1000kg, the log maxed it out, but I'd guess 1200 - 1400kg, something in that area.  The block came in at 825kg.  Ranger seemed to cope well with it.  Old ifor has 1.5t payload btw....

23 hours ago, billpierce said:

Been on with a fifty something meter conifer hedge reduction last few days. Approx 3m off the top. Thankfully had a mewp. Chipped it all with a cs100. Well impressed with it, eats connie very well.

I'm not sure what I would choose between this job, and medieval style warfare.

Top job ?

8 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

The choice was a very considered one.  

 

Cut and grab has the potential to transfer high lever loads to a relatively small machine with narrow wheel base giving rise to the very real potential for toppling it over - not good, plus it's heavier.  Fine on a big swing shovel but not on the smaller MO (just my view.). Plus, it restricts you to cutting out trees that stand vertical only.  The restrictions of having a fixed plane cutting head are far greater than the advantages of the rotator.  

 

Cut and release provides the advantage, through the rotator, of a degree of directional felling capability but most importantly, allows for cuts from the vertical right through to the horizontal plane - an obvious benefit if doing hedge reductions or the first cuts of lower crown pruning etc.

 

It is perfectly possible to cut and let fall, then pick up and transport using the shear, or fell, cut to length and stack so as to come back with forks or grab and lift a load for transport.  

 

I guess it depends upon the scope of the majority of the work the unit is required for - for me, cut and hold was the poor relation on all counts.

 

 

Very interesting, and good points you make there.  Not quite the same picking up capability as the normal shear, but good enough, I can see that. 

How does the fell aspect work, do you use the rotator aspect to push it where desired whilst cutting, or is it designed to always push the felled stem/branch away from the loader?

2 hours ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

  Type 'Black Splitter' into Youtube!  Here's a good general PR vid: 

  

 

and here's the stump planer:  

 

 

 

and the wire brush (1 lesson learnt from using this; it's useful, but would be better if it was slung out to the side rather than on the centre line so I have to make up an off-set bracket so that I can get to the edge of paths without running the wheels of the machine up the verge (hope that makes sense)):

 

 

and off on a tangent, a selection of attachments brought into use on a single job (the vid is a bit cheesy because it was made for the customer / parish mag) but it shows how a simple tree job can be upscaled into something much more comprehensive:

 

 

 

Great videos!

Though I have to say, I am struggling to see how that 'free fall' shear is as useful as the 'grab' type?  You would have to change the attachment to pick anything up...Though the rotating element is cool and i'm sure the cutting power is immense...

4 hours ago, benedmonds said:

I don't see that. The ones I have seen would not fit in most gardens, are not great for feeding chippers, and are very expensive.. If you need a yard machine then yes they will also fill that role but if you have a proper tractor you don't need that..

As you asked for opinions - that is mine.  I have experience of most setups/machines and wouldn't even consider arb without one .  As for urban type work with tight access, the arb trolley always comes up trumps. 

Personally I don't think there is 'a gap in the market'.  A machine that would be small enough to use in tight back gardens with alleyways/steps/slabs/grass/general fiddly, sensitive areas will not outweigh what a couple of good blokes can do with an arb trolley. 

A digger is no doubt an amazing tool, but just going by the title of this thread I wouldn't say it's the best thing for loading big wood i.e. running from one spot to another to collect wood/brash and load it.

3 hours ago, benedmonds said:

There is deffo no right answer.. But there are lot's of different solutions, some I may not have even thought about...   What you really need is one of everything but that is not economically viable.... I am in  the position that I now run 3 teams, so something that might only get used on 1 in 5 jobs would be used 3 times a week...   But staff IME are generally not nearly as careful as an owner operator, so "little" issues like messing up a lawn with a skid steer or knocking over a wall with a loader are considerably more likely to happen and all the potential savings can be lost and headaches fixing problems created..  

There is a right answer - it has to be a compact, articulated, wheeled loader.  A compact tractor is no comparison tbh, and a large tractor absolute overkill and not suitable for most domestic jobs.  A skid steer is just too damaging to surfaces IMO, and has no telescopic boom meaning you have to shift the thing about even more to get to pieces to pick them up.  

It really is a no brainer.

You don't need to replace polycarbonate panels, thay are as suggested 'heavy duty' to which I can attest to.  Also if you have foam filled wheels, thses machines are 'OK' in the forest, though the hydraulics are a bit exposed TBH.

17 minutes ago, Ian C said:

Had one on hire, good machine but built by air fix! A good looking machine but those plastics are very delicate and very expensive , I wouldn’t touch one with so much plastic on fir 20+ k

 

 

Wholly agree.  The panel design looks far too likely to get things caught up in it.  Does Multione do heavy duty polycarbonate panels as available on the Avant??

Fairly impressive oak stick removed from site the other day.  280cm long, 75cm diametre.  

As you say Mick, the hassle/safety issues/money/time etc. involved in processing and handballing this type of wood is ridiculous.

Apologies, not really directed at you my friend.

Yorkshire Compact Loader is a trader.

I went green, also with no regrets, and can see the MO is a good machine.

There's no confusion on my part though. The stats from the dealers themselves and websites are plain to see, no MultiOne has any edge over Avant.

Interesting to see how MultiOne have got 'Tipping load' and 'Lift Capacity' the wrong way around on thier website, thereby inadvertently making it look like they lift more than they do. A bit embarrassing really.