ArborClimber

I had a problem with it too, to begin with. As is often the case, my confidence grew when i slipped and "fell", my gear and everything of course catching me. Only then, did I really start to trust my gear. Always keep your weight on the harness and your rope.

Sometimes when I've had to do some nasty storm damage, and I really do have to go out to the tip, I hang from my gear and climb the branch from underneath using hands and feet, like the monkeys that people often call us. Then either do what i got to do like that, or lanyard over, and then climb onto the branch from there.

Experience, trying new things, and keep trying, and you'll get there

As a note: chisel chain, whilst being more aggressive, requires less power as it only has a single point of cut (the tip), whereas semi or chamfer chisel cuts on a much larger area, requiring more power, thus causing more strain on a saw.

 

To answer your 3rd question, the design is almost identical, the carb and electronics will be the only different parts. I have a 441 IPL that doesn't have m-tronic, the only difference I can see is the coil and carb.

 

Finally, the carb resets every time the switch is put to initial startup.

Yeah!.... What he said!

I guess the saw comes with a 30 cm bar length with a 44DL PM3 chain.

 

Q1:

Does the saw have enough torque to pull the same chain type (Picco Micro 3) with 50DL on a 35 cm bar, without bogging down? How much does the longer chain affect the acceleration, when used for my most needed application of delimbing ?

 

Q2:

Does the saw have enough torque to pull the PS/PS3 chain type (Picco Super/Picco Super 3): on a 12" or even a 14" bar? (Again my needs is for delimbing and first time thinning).

 

Q3:

Running the current MS201 side by side with the upcoming MS201C-M, do you hear any difference in the idle sound? Difference in the steady idle rpm thanks to the M-Tronic? Any difference due to any altered muffler design?

Any lag in the throttle response due to the electronics awakening up?

 

Q4:

Does the user become aware of that the saw has an electronically managed carburetor at all? At what shifting scenarios does one need to recalibrate the saw, if ever needed?

 

P.S.

As a backgrounder I can tell that I'm currently am using the MS192C-E.

 

Because of the several times the diminutive 1.1mm PMMC3/PMM3 chain jumped of it's Rollomatic E Mini 12" bar and destroyed the chains drive links, I've changed to 1.3 mm 91VXL-044 chain and corresponding bar.

 

I really like the more robust 1.3 mm chain, and can accept the heavier bar and chain, but the small 30 cc engine in our MS192 doesn't provide enough torque, for the the heavier mass to spin acceptably, nor the larger cutters of the 1.3 mm chain.

Ok, very specific questions, had to think about it a bit. I'll try my best...

Q1 and 2: The saw came with the Super Picco 3, on a 14" bar, as i use a battery 160 for little stuff, and the moped for reducings, fellings, and pretty much anything bigger than 15cm.

As for torque, I havent had any issues with it as of yet. Its pulled through everything til now. It accelerates quick off the mark everytime, I havent noticed any lack of power due to chain size or bar length.

Q3 and 4: Sitting next to an "old" 201, it does have a steady, even burble. Never too high, and hasnt cut out on me yet.

Throttle response is immediate. That was my problem with the old 201, that it would take a good bit until it realized it should do something. SOMETIMES, there is a very brief moment of lag, but only when I first start it in the morning. After its a bit warm, no lag at all, immediately at full scream.

Shifting scenarios I'm afraid I havent had much to do with.

A couple of times i have slightly noticed the electronics when i was delimbing and lopping branches off, and then without a pause, I shoved the saw full throttle into a 30cm stem to begin felling, top-down. It dropped in power for about 2 seconds until it realized that it needed to work a bit harder, which it then did, I'm glad to say. It then dutifully munched through with no issues, and continued to do so.

Even though the 192 is only 5 or 7cc smaller then the 201, the difference is significant.

Out of interest, I picked up my ported and muffle-modded 200 one day after a month of using the 201c-m to compare. First thing I noticed, and also very surprised me, was the weight difference. The 201c-m is definitely lighter. I didnt think there would be a any difference, but I noticed it in my wrist and thumb surprisingly quickly.

And fuel consumption is also significantly less than a modded 200t

I hope that answers some of your questions! I will try my best if anyone has anymore!

Will post pics next week if I remember....

Evening Ladies and Gents.

As I had mentioned before, I said I would write a small review after a couple of months of usage.

Myself and a workmate got one each, we have suitably used and abused the saws (as per requested), been used for normal pruning, dead-wooding, felling trees as big as we dared (almost twice the bar length), cherry-picker and climbing work.

As of today, no problems at all.

Even at -8 degrees, it always starts on the second pull, without fail, and cuts fast and stable. A very consistent saw, til now.

I'm chuffed with it at least...

Questions, feel free to ask. Answers, I will do my best

Don't forget to give Germany a look.

A lot of companies are often looking for good climbers/cutters (the company I'm working with and another nearby included)

And a lot of people in Germany speak English, especially in tree companies. I have absolutely no idea how the whole visa stuff works though.....

Best of luck whatever you do

And why not its not just for men to watch

Indeed! Though, the missus and the mother both have a distinct dislike for clarkson and often go "aww, poor james" alot....

Aaah, deadwooding.... a good 50 to 60% of our work is that, or "totholz beseitigung" in german. Or as i like to call it "totholz bescheißigung" (german speakers will understand:001_tongue:)

Nice vid mate, nice climbing style too, i'm still practicing to get that stage

Great to see a bit of "normal" tree work too

You did the right thing (you getting the general opinion yet? )

We were working a big park for the council in jan this year with some monster trees in it. A workmate, who has only been climbing a year, showed me a 32metre beech tree that the council wanted cut as a "habitat tree", so leave an 8metre stem standing. It was a tall and straight, loads of space just to drop it. Workmate then showed me why he didnt do it. A hole at waist height, and on other side, a twisted rip 2metres long. It was 75% hollow, but the top was healthy.

I also said no. Not just because it looked nasty, but same as you, i just did not feel comfortable with it.

Boss said i was being silly and thought i could do it, i explained to him why i would not, and another workmate said i was being silly, and would show me how it will be done.

Long story short, he was on spikes 8 metres up, tree started to tip, and because the tree was hollow, a metre long piece of the FALLING stem broke off, and landed on his knee. I had to rescue him. He now has an artificial knee, had 6 months of therapy, and will never climb again.

Funnily enough, the same day after the accident the boss said "next time you have such an intuition about a tree, leave it, and we will sort it another way!". It cost a man his knee and career for him to realise that.

You made a good call, move on, buy your boss a tirfor, and if he still aint happy, shove the new winch somewhere where the sun dont shine.

Stay safe chaps and dont be stupid....

In our company we have 7 guys that are cutters, and the boss only buys stihl. Until now, the 200t are still the better saw. Yes, yes, we do have a box of old carbs..... lots of old carbs, but they do run better and faster than the old 201t. Saying that, none of the 201t's that we have, have yet broken down.

I'll correct you the current 201 is decent the old ones were terrible

You make a fair point, correction accepted. Though i did say it in that way because for me, the new 201t m-t is the "current" one. Not sure who has what where at the moment

I'm sure we've been here a few times in the past couple of weeks....

200t is a good reliable saw, has its faults of course.

540 has a howler of an engine, but it will fall apart if you look at it too hard.

Current/old 201t is rubbish and awful.

New 201t M-tronic: I think its great. Go to the thread about it in the chainsaw section.

Let us know how you get on

Was going to say. Usually the jungle trees or trees in tropical climates last a couple of hundred years then fall over naturally, and allow for new growth. Just a part of the habitat.

And as the others said, i would expect it to be taller than 40 metres tall, I have to work on a 42 metre tall plane tree soon, and that aint 5000 years old....

I would say this . If you go for the Husky you have got to baby it , no question . Probably the strongest engine and fastest cutting saw here but it is frigging fragile . Don't ever drop it on its strop always clip it high . If you cant grantee you will do this then go for the latest 201 . It has all the up dates and mods that put it above the original 201 that was just pants . ...

What he and the others said! Not sure when you chaps get it, but i'm well impressed with the new 201T-C with m-tronic. Get that, or try and find an old 200T:thumbup:

Do NOT get the current/old 201T! It is a piece of poo

Do you not have a drilled exhaust and side plate off the older 201 you could try?

I drilled my 200t, i never had a 201 long enough to tune up, I gave it to one of the lads very quickly. And the other lads that have an older 201 have said themselves that they are too wimpish to drill/tune theirs. So, no, I dont have one....

Yes. Very yes

BTW, I was thinking aloud because the muffler mod on an MS261 is the single biggest difference you can make with one(assuming you are willing to remove the baffle for it). I am curious to see how it affects the 201.

 

So am I!

But, as much as I am all for a bit of modding, tuning and removing bits that normally "shouldn't" be removed, I have had this saw for only 3 days, and its got warranty on it, so I dont think the boss would be too impressed if i fiddled with it as much as I did with my 200t...

(He looked at my 200t after I had been "at" it and said "what on earth did you do?!". My reply: "I improved it because it aint as good as it was. So quit complaining, or get me a new saw". Both worked) :thumbup:

just a bit of Banter:001_smile:

 

 

Ste

And happily reciprocated

I WOULD OF DONE THAT BY 12 OCLOCK ................. on my own

 

 

 

Ste

I am not going to question your abilities, i'm sure you could, but would the sheds and summer houses remain in the same shape.....?

Take note, young sir!!

Climbing a neighbor tree did make life easier, but with rigging, climbing, ringing and carrying out EACH PIECE by hand (tiny garden gate), and the boss got 1300 euro for it. I got considerably less than that, but anyway. Took me and one groundsman a day. We didnt rush, had a good steady pace

Today is cold...

Very good review thanks.

 

You used the word "wee" too often though!

Sorry, spent too long living and working in Northern Ireland......

How did you get on with the new saw?

Thank you Mr F, for bringing the subject back from where we seem to have digressed.

OK, everyone stop your anti-Stihl/anti-Husky whinging and shut up a moment, and I will try and give a wee decent review.

First, I like Huskies, have used a lot of them and think they are great machines, and currently only use Stihls (as that's what the boss buys), and also think they are very good bits of kit.

However, I didn't like the 201t, as I found the trigger too sluggish, and just didn't seem to have the power that the 200t had, so I stuck to my 200t, modded and tuned it, and told the boss not to buy any more 201's

But I heard good things about the 201T-C with M-tronic, and am pleasantly surprised. I'll try my best......

- Looks: No different. At all. But the switch has been changed. Instead of having specific off/on/halfchoke/choke spots to click into, its constantly in "on" position. Push it forward to turn off, but springs back to the "on" position. Similar principle with the choke. Pull it back, springs automatically forward.

Performance: The important bit. Please bear in mind, this is on its first full tank of fuel. Let it run on idle for a few minutes, and idle and blubber it did, quite happily. After a bit of warming up and revving, it DID NOT have the horrible sluggishness and lack of power as the old one. Once I used it for a while, I have no complaints with the power.

It doesn't feel as "aggressive" (less kick-back) as the 200 to begin with, but that doesn't suggest lack of power. Myself and a workmate had a couple of cutting races (small bits and dirty great big stems), he with the new saw, myself with my tuned 200. We didn't see any noticeable differences,

The biggest thing for me, was "responsiveness", power off the mark when i pull the trigger, that i always get from my 200, and that's also instant with the 540, that you didn't get with the old 201. Thankfully, it IS instant with the T-C. After a wee bit of warming (as is normal with every saw), there was no lag or hesitation at all, straight to full power, of which there seems to be plenty.

Durability: Can't say much on this, as I didn't do any heli-fellings, dismantles, or rock climbing with it. The couple of thinnings and reducings i did do today, it seemed to cope with the usual bashings as any other 200.

Economy: Fuel usage is minimal. Still haven't had to refill yet.

You asked for a decent review, I tried my best. If any questions, I will answer if I can. I will write another wee review update in the new year, after it has had a bit more abuse, per request.

Hope this has been a wee bit useful!

 

Yes that's what I want

 

In that case, I'll ask my somewhat gung-ho groundie to test my new saw tomorrow

Please be honest as you can with the review, I was thinking of chopping my husky 540 in for a 201 next week but if these have just come out I might wait.

 

I went off lots of positive reviews for the husky 540 and it's been the biggest let down

I will do my best young sir! We have had them here in germany for about 2 weeks i think, so might be a couple if months til you get it. The 193 is also meant to be a good wee saw, aint used it yet though.

I thought the 540 was meant to be quick saw?

So this is a stihl with a kind of "auto tune"

 

(Forgive my ignorance)

So I am led to believe. In other words, the painfully slow reaction to the trigger and sluggishness of general performance is now eliminated.

Will know for sure tomorrow

Yes indeed!! As the title suggests, i recieved word that my new toy has arrived at the workshop.

Is brand spanking new, from the first production batch, so i'm expecting good things. Tomorrow is the moment of truth.

Will post pics and let you all know how it performs. Im actually looking forward to going to work tomorrow....