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On 13/05/2023 at 10:19, teresa green said:

what is douglas fir worth a tonne? And whats mixed hardwood per tonne? Stems on a wagon.

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In Wales roadside is around £45 for ungraded larch chipwood and £65-75 for processor grade hardwood.

I would probably want £150 for our similar Ryetec one. As long as the user is someone you know will be careful with it.

It's easier to split fresh wood on paper but sometimes harder ones like oak crack as they dry so you can see the weak points to hit then they pop apart so I can see an argument both ways.

That's probably about right if it's with 25 year posts. I would expect a bit less if it's straight and level but prices went up a lot in the last two years.

20 hours ago, andrewmiskin said:

Thanks for the advice. I will try contacting them. This woodland has been neglected for a number of years. He lives a few hours away at present I'm trying to help him get started as I live near the woods. He's got some ideas what he would like to do with it. Only time will tell if they come to fruition.

 

Also considered someone like HW Forestry. Has anyone had any experience with them? 

Dai at hw is good to deal with and knows what he's doing. If you have access track and just want to thin it will be easy to get a felling licence and find a decent contractor.

If you want to put new tracks in, replant or make a long term management plan you should probably talk to an advisor like Dai.

It's a decent sized wood to fell and prices are good at the moment so unless it's a first thinning of smaller trees it should be a nice job for someone.

The kramers actually 4.6m I think but unless you're always loading lorries I don't see why you would want an extra long reach machine. They're (generally) less stable with a bigger turning circle and, as above, limited in the jobs they're suitable for.

It's going to be a balance between the biggest that's practical on a small holding and the smallest that will load a lorry. I think bulkers are usually between 4 and 4.5m high?

Depends how big the lorry you're loading is and how often but our Kramer 750t (4m) is fine for tipping bulk firewood into a 40cube lorry.

I use blademaster as well, it's worth looking through to see if he has the right size. I think he's retired from sharpening but there's still good service on sales 

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I wish that was closer to me, you won't struggle to sell it anyway.

If it's thinning you can probably get a felling license fairly easily yourself, clearfell is a bit more work, then contact local contractors to fell it. Just make sure you agree how it's being weighed/measured, extraction routes, brash management, minimum diameter to cut etc 

Alternatively you can pay someone else to do proper contracts and manage everything but if you're replanting and paying someone to organise there won't be a huge amount in it.

I've dealt with HW forestry before when buying standing timber but they're probably too far.

I think your best bet is teaming up with a firewood seller so you've got a guaranteed sale at the end then going around farms and offering them a standing price for the timber. Average extraction price to roadside is £35 a ton so you could work back from that.

Your could go out on a day rate but selling directly at £65-70 a ton roadside could be more profitable.

10 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Sawlogs are not firewood logs….. if it’s a chain reaction it’s a very bizarre one considering sawlog prices have halved of late. 
 

If you’re right then roll on war. I’ll be paying £20 a ton for oak Sawlogs because war is pushing up firewood prices. 🤣🙄

I think you've got a bit mixed up. I meant that's why they went up in the first place, international markets do affect timber.

They've come down because a lot of the bigger mills stopped buying now that sales have slowed so the price has dropped to try and get them shifted. 

It will be interesting to see what happens.I know people who have thousands of tons of sawlogs stacked roadside and they've only just selling them again. Standing larch hit £100 a ton last year in places so there could be some big loses for some.

1 minute ago, trigger_andy said:

Why would a war in Eastern Europe affect the price of sawlogs in the U.K.? 

A lot of firewood is imported from that area so that's pushed domestic prices up and made it more viable to cut sawlogs. It's just a chain reaction.

It seems random. I can get a new pull cord next day but it's a 6 month wait for bars and chains are out of stock.

New machinery is the worst. Most stuff is 6-18 months from order.

We've slowed down the last 2 weeks but only after a record winter so it's been a relief. There's people offering £90 a cube wholesale so I expect you can sell as much as you want.

It only takes one cold week for things to go mad again.

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I'm not sure where you're getting that idea from. I switched to Milwaukee tools 8 years ago I think it was and all my tools are still going. There's 3 years warranty as well. 

They lead the market in a lot of areas, especially impact wrenches and I think they're the only ones to do 9 and 14inch grinders.

I've always been impressed with my Milwaukee drills but for hardwood drilling I also use an impact wrench to replace petrol drills which are quicker and no risk of hurting your wrist 

There's loads of foxes here in mid Wales, too many really, a few hare and rabbits as well. We're all livestock farming in a this area though so there will be more wildlife than arable land.

Our Valta T174 Vario with Fao Far trailer. 14.4tons of wood, my aim is to hit the maximum 15 but I've still never managed it.

Best thing I ever did was switching to only 2 sizes of chain. 24inch/84 link on the 572s and firewood processor and 15inch on the 550s and 560s. 

Rotatech do 10% off if you buy over 10 so I get 10 of each and they last at least a year. When I get down to a couple left I buy another 10 of each.

I think Northern Arb was the original then started making Pyranha chains which they rebranded as rotatech and are now concentrating on instead of general sales.

As long as they keep making chains I'm happy.

11 hours ago, Stere said:

So  cost in Wales  is near double compared to the rest of the country?

No, I think the other quote was very cheap. I've seen it going for over £100 a ton in England 

Average price for fresh ash delivered in mid Wales is 2k plus vat but it's going for a lot more sometimes.

8 hours ago, spuddog0507 said:

you assume wrong !! its in 2,5 mtr lengh,s off a local estate and its the trees that they have tided up last summer after that storm about 15mth ago, been stacked since may/june last year, all so bought about 12/14 tonne of scotts pine off the land agent as well for £20 tonne,,

That's a great deal. I've seen seasoned stuff going at £90+ so it's good to know there's still some out there that's cheap.

30 minutes ago, spuddog0507 said:

Yes i just bought a fair amount of ash n beech roadside for £35 a tonne including VAT, its being delivered Wednesday the 1st feb,,

I'm assuming that's waste wood not lengths?

South Wales is averaging £65 plus vat roadside but a lot of people trying for more.

Depends what the processor is although I would be hesitant to hire one out unless it was to someone with experience. It only takes one log sideways in the splitting chamber to do a lot of damage.