Bing!

Any updates on your decision to retrain?

Pleased to say that the st8 we run is an absolute beast, so far (year ish) no major issues. Replaced fuel filters when it started cutting out *take note OP... quick job and issue solved.

Currently using a tracked timberwolf 280 for a riverside contract and it has everybody frustrated as hell.

We are all aware of timberwolf issues/foibles as well as the other makes.

Forst for me is built like a tank and as the company  matures and the machines are finessed then they will most likely be one of or maybe the brand leader....

Like with every machine , good maintenance and regular services. Any chipper is a big investment,  look after it and it will look after you.

Bing! (Yes, Forst fanboy)

As soon as you had cs38 we would snap you up, regardless of experience. We need the aerial rescue ticket for Every team/job.

Experience would come over time.

Where are you based?

Smells of vanilla when in flower.?

azara microphylla.....?

If its chipped I believe it is not waste.

Does the EA website not offer any help?

Anyone????

Have you tried the hydra or rook swivel?

Or is that classed as one attachment point??

Any input from an AA rep regarding the above????

Should we just copy and paste this straight to the ICOP questionnaire, maybe start packing away the duplicate kit we've all had to buy.....

I wonder if the 2019 chicane ZZ swivel would be incorrectly loaded. The old style zz would be loaded ok but the swivel at the bridge may be maxed out to one side in the event of the TIP failing/that rope being cut...

I see what you're saying.

Its 2 ropes but 1 system, well,  its 1 attachment point at the bridge.

Ahh, the vagaries of a poorly thought out knee jerk regulation, devised by those that are not versed with the industry they are tasked to "guide"..?.....

Wanted.

Anyone got an old shape zig zag for sale????

Looks like no one stocks the old shape anymore and the new one is not what I'm in need of.

Drop me a DM .

And Merry Christmas.

Bing!

This one makes my head hurt......

Got to think that the system using drenaline would be borderline out of reach when at a stretch??

I believe this is Mutleys set up from Red Stag training.

Lol......

Tell this to the HSE.?

I think the general point is "Educate, not regulate".

The incidents and accidents that HSE are basing this on could be reduced with a more stringent method of training, logged hours and regular re assessments. Instead they have gone for enforcement of a new system but no extra training or assessments required. The unfortunate folk caught up in the stats would still probably have had the accidents (maybe generalizing to make my points).

If the arb industry want to head this off before its fully enshrined then we need to offer up our own solution, that IMHO would be a change to the training and continue on throughout your career with regular refreshers and assessments.

We've been finding that direct connection to the bridge/bridges results in twisted/crossed over ropes. Single pulley swivel seems to solve that particular problem.

The third hole is in preparation for the HSE  3 rope system regulations, due out when someone stubs their toe while being near a tree.....

Also had it set up with hitch climber and friction cord.

Let's see what you're using.?

Well this is what I was having a crack at today......

We had our first rescue refresher day under the new regs so we attempted to get it all done within the new rules. One guy is currently going through cs39 so was our example, it looks a proper faff and it was hard work. Our test set up was basically straight up with the anchor points relatively close to each other, no one was keen to traverse through the crown.

Would be good to get some examples of systems up for viewing/review....

There is certainly an amount of ambiguity and it needs to be clearer. @scotspine1 has interpreted it that a 2nd short line will suffice, which you CAN read into it. However, the reason the 2 line system is being enforced is because of numpties cutting ropes, poorly tied knots, dropping off ropes etc so to counteract that they insist on a 2nd line. So surely this 2nd line must be able to reach the floor without having to re anchor lower in the crown?

Should HSE turn up on site at any point and find 1 lifeline easily reaching the floor and one lifeline 30ft short, I, in my opinion, would not be surprised if he cried foul and called your 2nd line nothing more than a long lanyard.

When all this is written in stone I will be using 2 full length ropes, I suspect the hse will be out and about checking up, I don't want to be the test case.

NPTC guidance to assessors, Rescue access on 2 systems????

Good grief, it's getting worse.

If you wear gloves then it's nearly impossible. Lol.

It is a fiddle and should you wish to remove the pin up the tree then it's a risk, you may retain the pin but the "quickie" body frame can also be dropped as it is only looped through a ring, or in  my case a Cali swivel ; ) . The carabiner version would have been much easier I believe.

I have the X,

It can only be ordered via Richard and there is an import tax to pay. Can't remember exactly how much but around £30-£60.

I tried the HH1 and liked it, decided on the 2 but saw the X while researching. I went for the quickie link model and it is a faff, the carabiner version would have been easier but not sure if it would work any better. The X body is aluminium and is anodised, this is a hard coating but the constant moving of the slick pin has taken the coating off, doesn't affect it but perhaps the steel bodied 2 would have been better, but not lighter.

It is good at SRT and is also good drt, though the carabiner version would have  been less fiddly.

SRT into the tree, drt around if desired then tie off mid crown and SRT a bit if needed, then back to drt.

Bing. 

15 minutes ago, Pete Mctree said:

3. Accidents within the tree and emergency egress.

 

In the rare and unfortunate occurrence of an accident, a double rope system has a critical flaw in that it requires two hands to descend. A large proportion of cut injuries are to the arms and the inability to bail out with a single hand after removing the body strop would be lost. Especially if both lines are weighted and providing support where disconnecting one would lead to a fall or pendulum swing.

I had the misfortune of such an accident and lacerated my brachial artery, a time critical injury that required I got to the ground immediately to receive treatment - waiting for rescue would have been fatal. I am not sure that I would be here typing this if I had the further complications of a second weighted system to deal with…...

This would be the best "defence", I suspect there has been more cuts in trees than fatalities from a fall oŕ cut rope. How many cuts would have turned to possible bleed outs if it were  not for the climber being able to bomb out asap.

How many legit aerial rescues have there been in the past year? How many of these would have been successful with a "stacked  bridge" of 2 friction systems and 2 ropes to sort out and not one?

The faff of climbing with multiple ropes aside, the main danger of this new edict is that when it comes to an actual incident, the 2 rope 2 TIP system becomes a major hindrance to the rescue, self or assisted. Instead of  being safer it would inadvertently be the opposite.

Back on track......

Order a HHX and select the quickie option.

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Badum tish......