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Thanks for the heads up on the toxic fruiting fungal spore potential and the advice on the solar kiln process. I'll pass the info on to the moisture content guy. I appreciate the difficulties encountered with the haulage and handling logistics with wood chip as opposed to pellet transport. We've already fallen foul of a 'inappropriately' placed fence post but as yet people haven't been dismissive of using wood chip. Maybe something we should certainly keep in mind as a potential future problem. Which area of the country are you based renewablejohn? I must confess i'm unfamiliar with torrefied pellets. The torrefied pellets, are they produced from saw dust sized material? Will you further process the arb sourced chip to achieve the grade? In fact, is this something you are currently doing to produce wood pellets? Just briefly looking into the process it doesn't seem dissimilar to charcoal, amazing calorific value 21 MJ/Kg thats double wood chip and hydrophobic! Are there many people producing these in the UK? Thanks for the info renewablejohn! David

Hi renewablejohn. Thanks for the input. Have you experience of converting arb arisings into wood chip fuel? If so, i would love to have a chat with you. We're not going down the route of pellets or briguettes. Is that more applicable for domestic use and somewhat more difficult to convert? We are targeting medium sized civic clients, people like local authority authority buildings, multiple occupancy residencies, swimming pools, schools etc. David

Hi Justme, thanks for the reply and the input. We currently charge by the kWh going into the heating system. Its a good point you made about the efficiency of the system and it is a difficult problem. We see it as a short term sacrifice to establish a client base. Its a chicken and egg situation, people are reluctant to supply as there is not the demand and people are reluctant to install an efficient ( expensive) system as the suppliers are not out there. One thing we can be sure of though is that the big utility providers are putting the price up. We have a huge natural resource within our green spaces, it is estimated London provides over 60,000 tonnes of arb arisings per annum and alot goes into land fill. As a nation we import over 50,000 tonnes of charcoal a year. Crazy! The fundamental problem is that we are in effect competing with the large utility providers with an established infrastructure and those markets set the the kWh price. As a supplier we need to be providing fuel at around 3 pence per kWh (including delivery) so the clients will even begin to consider it. We are managing this but as yet still buying a lot of timber in. Regarding the 'greeness' of the wood chip from arb arisings it is a valid point. We are researching ways to reduce the moisture content in wood chip piles through ventilation systems or combining recycled wood products (tests under way). We are lucky to have a Ba (hons) Arboriculture student dedicating his dissertation to the subject. One step at a time though, my task is less concerned with moisture content (which is the big problem) but rather research the feasibility of utilising arb woodchip and try to identify other problems which might come to light and discuss ways of combating them. What we need to find is a way of producing a wood chip boiler grade product from an industry bi-product, then we can effectively compete with the utility providers. Like I said in the original post, this is just a feasibility study and you guys are a great resource for that. David. Ps. please keep the input coming!

Hi guys. I'm pretty inexperienced at posting on this forum although I have been visiting here for some time now. I get the impression that you are a friendly bunch and don't mind sharing your knowledge with the less experienced of us out there. On that point, I have a question and think you guys could help shove me in the right direction. I am currently involved in setting up a tree station in Manchester. Greater Manchester Tree Station (GMTS) is a social enterprise and hopes to operate as a hub of silvicultural ventures within the city, involving practicing coppice workers, social foresters, arborists and woodworking artisans of all denominations. In short, if you like wood you're in! We are currently researching potential avenues for converting arboriculture arisings into a usable biomass fuel source. In particular, I am trying to compile a feasibility study on the conversion of arb industry wood chip into a fuel source for wood chip boilers. It would be great to hear from anyone who has endeavored to accomplish this and learn from their findings. Better still, it would be great to hear from anyone who has accomplished it! Obviously they are numerous factors contributing to the difficulty of this conversion, moisture content, chip grade specifications and foliage content but, there may be less obvious ones. It would be really helpful for us to hear your opinions on this. Any info would be greatly received and if anyone can link me to other forums of a similar nature that would be handy too. Regards David.

Good find Tim and thanks for sharing the love. D.

Hi Scott, PM me, might be able to point you in the right direction.

PM sent. D

Thanks for all the advice, links and info guys. Its the first time I have used this forum for an enquiry and I'm really impressed by the response. Plenty for me to follow up. Thanks again. D.

Thanks for the advice on the search facility Nepia. Managed to get hold of the PDF and it's very informative, so far so good. It will give me plenty of food for thought. Think I need to see things done to really appreciate the subtleties of the process. Unfortunately can't afford to attend one of the charcoal production courses at the moment. I'll keep plugging away, maybe it's not too late in the season to catch one.

Hi guys and gals, I was wondering if there is anyone out there who come give me some experience in charcoal burning? I'm currently living in Cheshire [Macclesfield] and would love to help anyone who is carrying out any burns in the near future. I want to gain some initial experience in the craft for future projects and can only learn so much from reading about it. Thanks in advance for any suggestions, contacts and advice. D.

What about Mr Keith Berry? Is he still working for tree work? D. xx