geoff

Just did a bit of research which really puts this event into perspective!

Total British Serviceman lives lost per recent conflict:

Northern Ireland - 763

Falklands - 255

Iraq - 179

Afghanistan - 453

 

Total - 1650

 

Day one of the Somme - 19,240 British lives lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In one Day!!

How can we ever forget that?

SG

Absolutely, and that is just the first day.....

People do forget, in our soft cosseted modern lives we are separated from some of the big realities of our past, that gave the way of life we have today.

Same here Old Mill, I have used them for as many years and found I have had less trouble, reasonable performance, and good backup.

It's a good brand, and the company are quick to put things right in the event, without leaving you saw less.

Total respect to all those who fought, and died there.

The battery saws are improving, it is the way forward in the long run, but you have to lover the cackle of a little 2 stroke going about its work.

S'funny how this thread has changed from how great Echos are to the opposite.

They are good saws, and the little top handle saw is a cracker, but echo have responded to isolated incidents in a fast and thorough way, so quite how they have gone to the 'oposite' I'm not sure, but if your opinion is based on hands on experience I bow to your opinion.

That's above and beyond good service.

That's bad news mate, hope it doesn't hold you up too much, I know how it feels...

And another one

Now that looks the canines conkers.

I know I am joining this conversation a bit late in the day. But here are my predictions :-

 

1. The EU was screwed prior to our decision to leave, leaving will just speed up the process. The attitude ( post our decision) of the five un elected EU leaders speaks volumes ! They haven't learned and will not learn. The EU is doomed. Getting out early, we will fair better than most

 

2. Post actual exit there will be little impact on trade - import or export. Ultimately, governments do not make trade, businesses do. There are stacks of examples countries outside of the EU that have achieved much better trade results than those inside.

 

3. Scotland will not leave the United Kingdom. They might have voted to remain in the EU but they did not vote to adopt the Euro which would be a prerequisite of any deal to leave and re join the EU. In any case as an independent they would hardly boost the EU coffers, as an independent they would be in a financial mess and hardly an attraction to the EU members.

 

4. Labour will self destruct, the conservatives may as well ( though less risk here) . The next four months will see a step change in the way that UK politics operates. The priority for the next four years is pre and post Brexit management and cross party allegiances will be formed that will then go on to shape our future political structure.

 

5. Populist politics will die, future leaders will learn that the risks of giving the masses the right to make important decisions when the vast majority of those doing so ( myself included) don't have sufficient understanding of the subject they are making the decision on - is a risk not worth taking.

 

Should be an exciting couple of years, but if I am correct then don't rush into

making any financial decisions as a result of Brexit. This will be a long burn and leave us in a better position than most.

A very good calm and wise post imo.

As another member states, work positioning is everything.

 

I dont believe the chances of an accident increase the bigger the saw, more the opposite. It is easy to be careless and haphazard with a lighter machine.

 

Keep both hands on the saw the right way around in the correct orientation, keep the machine to the right of your body and look at what you are doing.

 

That will cut the chance of an injury down by at least 99%

Yep:thumbup1:

Not sure about the makers, but plenty of red herring will be about after today....

What an absolutely WONDERFUL start to Friday!....I hope every enjoys this Golden day.

Lovely picture Silky.

Training is good, but some safety knowledge goes a long way, use the chain brake when not cutting, keep a reasonable grip on the saw, avoid the nose of the bar touching anything, understand tension and compression in the wood to ascertain what cuts to do, watch out cutting on sloping ground as released wood can roll, keep the chain in top condition, always try to have someone know what your doing and where, and have a phone on you, avoid trip hazards and keep your feet apart an be balanced.

That's a start, but in no way comprehensive.

Well I couldn't wait till tomorrow so filled her up and cut a few oak limbs just to see what she was like whilst the Tiny was still fresh in my mind.

 

Initial thoughts are bigger, noisier, more vibration and heavier but it cuts beautifully. It has a 10" Tsumara bar, .050 gauge fitted with an Oregon 91PX chain and though not my first choice, it is the standard kit. Quick thoughts,

 

The brake lever needs a heck of a lot more effort than the Tiny and doesn't seem to be as robust. The shield is solid plastic. However the clutch cover fits exactly (hope they fix that on the 2511), the filter and plug are easier to access but the chain oil adjuster is in a deep well and needs a long thin screwdriver.

 

Things I miss off the Tiny is the captured nut on the clutch cover, the pull cord handle to undo the fuel/oil caps and the sheer dinkiness of using a motorised Silky.

 

But the Midi, as I shall call this middle of the TH Echo range, is a cracking little saw. She started after three pulls, sounds more raucous (and probably less refined than the Tiny albeit it is a much older design) but even with the standard supplied bar and chain, she performs very well. I like her, like the overall balance of the saw with the 10" bar and as yet she hasn't burst into flames!

 

I cannot compare her to the 360 as I do not have one but the Midi is as heavy as I want in a TH saw so even though I did try to 'upgrade' to a 360, I am very satisfied with my £120 Echo. She has a hard act to follow but she is a delightful saw, very well made and with sufficient power and cutting speed to meet my needs.

If it runs a 1/4 inch chain slap a stihl chain and bar on, that might be interesting...

Good school run motor if you don't drive in high heal shoes, they are not built or aimed at true sharp end comercial work.

If you want a work motor the choices are getting more limited, as so many pickups are targeting the leafy suburb client.

Dam you Briggs and Stratton, wasted so many hours on the engine this weekend,no stripped down the carb again, cleaned all the jets, changed fuel filter, cleaned out tank, still same fault.

So cleaned carb again, did away with pump, filter, tank, by rigging up a temporary tank gravity feeding into carb, same fault.

Next step, change the two spark plugs. It just sounds like fuel related but surely I have eliminated that now. So plug change it is.

Dam dam dam

If the fuel system is all up to spec, suspect an ignition component breaking down under heat,it does happen, from plug cap right back to spark source.

If it's done a couple of hours work it would be a good time to do it, you may have to richen up on the H screw 1/8 to 1/4 turn, (anti clockwise).

Thank you Jef, sounds like great customer care, to the extent of being unique!

Was that the same 'someone' who you ordered those big cock tablets for?

Link?

Did they work?

Just asking like...

Hypothetically, Rob, what would happen if one were to continue using the 2510 (accepting the risk of spontaneous incineration) until the 2511 were released?

 

While we're on hypotheticals, if a person had bought one of these Echos, and removed/lost the spark screen/retaining screw, and trimmed the exhaust cover, would Echo still be happy to take that saw back?

I would have thought so, the returned saws are going to be destroyed.

Yes, apparently if debris gets lodge around the muffler it creates a potential fire risk.

I guess this must have happened to someone but surely it's a one in a million chance!

I would imagine that applies to various saws.

Quite fascinating, and eloquently told, I too tip my hat to the groundies, and those who feed them from the canopy.

Ignore the mess, I'm ripping out an old bathroom, here's the raptor as I bought it.

:biggrin:Good to hear you getting up and about mate, bloke I know is having a plaster cast off tomorrow, I have been putting bits of chocolate down the top at the back of it, can't imagine what the nurse will think happened to him...

We all rent Johny, what will any of us own in 100years time???

A 3x6 foot plot if we're lucky, but only for 70 years...