Managing Trees with Decay & Dysfunction

[Fungus]

and olives?

 

The oldest olive tree in the world is less than 2.000 years old.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

The oldest olive tree in the world is less than 2.000 years old.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/SistersOlive

 

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Rubbing? Britspeak for...? Rubaduddub, ten in a pub...

 

In thousands of articles and (chapters in) books on mycology and forest ecology, authors say fungus plays the leading role. No surprise there! But the web is real, and if we want to manage the tree we have to, where possible, manage the tree's ecosystem, let's agree on that.

 

 

So, as uptil now you have accused all us funters as "mycocentric" and that we should be less focussed on this narrow perspective you suddenly say can we agree? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

 

give me a minute im going to be rolling on the floor for the next ten minutes or so.

[Fungus]

Facebook : SistersOlive

 

Tony,

So now an advert on Facebook has become a reliable source of scientific information ?

Did you read the claims of this producer and retailer of olive oil, premium honey and facial creams : "... was known since antiquity as the source of the olive branch that Noah's dove brought back to the ark ushering the end of the deluge (or delusion ?). Experts (who, names please) believe them to be the oldest trees on earth (even if they are 6.000 years old, not true), and possibly the oldest living biological (as opposed to what non-biological life-forms ?) life-form on our planet" (utter nonsense).

Do they also sell replica's of Noah's dove or pieces of wood of Noah's ark ?

[treeseer]

So, as uptil now you have accused all us funters as "mycocentric" and that we should be less focussed on this narrow perspective you suddenly say can we agree? ha ha

Tony, you make it clear that your focus on fungus is equal to your focus on trees. I'm just following your words, or trying to.

 

If your undies are too twisted over disagreements--rubs? -- to look at areas of agreement, please untwist them, or we're both wasting time.

 

The soil food web is real, and if we want to manage the tree we have to, where possible, manage the tree's ecosystem, let's agree on that. "Manage" btw is different from "control"--more like influence or interact with, not pretending to dominate.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Tony, you make it clear that your focus on fungus is equal to your focus on trees. I'm just following your words, or trying to.

 

If your undies are too twisted over disagreements--rubs? -- to look at areas of agreement, please untwist them, or we're both wasting time.

 

The soil food web is real, and if we want to manage the tree we have to, where possible, manage the tree's ecosystem, let's agree on that. "Manage" btw is different from "control"--more like influence or interact with, not pretending to dominate.

 

 

in the U.K we have an expression called "backpeddling":thumbup1:

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Tony,

So now an advert on Facebook has become a reliable source of scientific information ?

Did you read the claims of this producer and retailer of olive oil, premium honey and facial creams : "... was known since antiquity as the source of the olive branch that Noah's dove brought back to the ark ushering the end of the deluge (or delusion ?). Experts (who, names please) believe them to be the oldest trees on earth (even if they are 6.000 years old, not true), and possibly the oldest living biological (as opposed to what non-biological life-forms ?) life-form on our planet" (utter nonsense).

Do they also sell replica's of Noah's dove or pieces of wood of Noah's ark ?

 

The core material (decayed remnants from centre where carbon dated Gerrit, I too had reservations but was assured the data gathered was done very scientifically. And I personally was much more confidant after seeing this image.

 

[Fungus]

The core material (decayed remnants from centre where carbon dated, I too had reservations but was assured the data gathered was done very scientifically. And I personally was much more confidant after seeing this image.

 

The picture shows half a circle or cluster of clones, not a solitary tree.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Gerrit, you can cleary see these clones are shoots from the root crown, the decayed undersides and shapes of the hollow crowns in the clones show cleary the root profiles of the origional tree, and it was massive, the old trunk is no more certainly but this is still a tree one tree of many leads though probably separating in tim and becoming individuals.

 

When is a tree no more, when does a tree cease to be original?

 

I dont think its quite so black and white.

[Fungus]

these clones are shoots from the root crown, the decayed undersides and shapes of the hollow crowns in the clones show cleary the root profiles of the origional tree, and it was massive, the old trunk is no more certainly but this is still a tree one tree of many leads though probably separating in time and becoming individuals. When is a tree no more, when does a tree cease to be original ? I dont think its quite so black and white.

 

That's not the point, the point is that this cluster of six or seven 6.000 year old clones has to compete with the genetically identical cluster of 70 clones of Quercus palmeri (13.000 years old) and the 47.000 genetically identical clones of Populus tremelloides of at least 80.000 years old.