Not_an_arb

Just now, eggsarascal said:

Well Price is definitely a gypsy name but I'd be surprised they would be using it if they are dodgy. I'll hazard a guess at the East Ham or Dagenham area?

Why those particular areas?

So, I’m still digging. 
 

A new address that I’ve found - and widely available online - links them to a house in east London where an online “tree service“ is based. This is all stemming from the mobile number search I did online.

The property in question shows no indication of being the base of a legitimate arborist business. A look on street view shows a lovely little family reunion in the front garden. Above the door is a horseshoe, which I believe is a gypsy symbol. The owners of this property share the second name of my perp, and have the same business name. A 192 search shows that the name on this particular business matches the name listed at the address. 

Now then, this may be nothing but coincidence but, my gut is telling me they’re linked, otherwise why would a phone number search throw up images of this particular business website. I believe the photo’s digital data is related to this house and “business” i.e. the photos may well have been taken using my perp’s phone. 
 

Despite this, I’m probably just pi33ing into the wind.
 

47 minutes ago, David Cropper said:

Nobody seems to realise that the Herberts who did this could actually be following this story on here. Just a thought to be aware of.

The thought did occur to me but, I’m beyond caring. I have to explore all avenues. I’d be surprised if they actually knew what an arborist is ?

All jokes aside. If they don’t know by now that I’m looking for them - after all the messages and calls - then they are idiots. So if they are following... hello idiots 

2 minutes ago, Paddy1000111 said:

I'm a little confused. Are they operating in Devon or are they operating somewhere else?

That’s a very good question. One I do not have an answer for. All I know with 100% certainty is that they’ve done a couple of jobs here in Chepstow. The location I have for Taunton may well be a smoke screen.

4 minutes ago, doobin said:

What damage was caused?

They’ve put a hole in my garage roof, either by dropping something heavy or putting a foot through. 
 

The age of the roof means it would need a complete overhaul.

3 minutes ago, spudulike said:

It is strange the company card has no contact details on it - that smacks of pikey involvement.

As a matter of interest, where did the name "Chris Price" and the address come from and where was the work done as the OP mentions being in South Wales?

It is possible the guys just picked a random name and address!

How did the folks next door engage with these fellas....a knock at the door, cold calling, paper, internet??

My neighbour said his name might be Chris, and another called Matt? He was given the card from another neighbour.

Ive actually spoken to the guy on the phone. He gave me his name as Chris Price at the given location. Initially, when I discovered the damage, my neighbour called him and threatened him with police action. I then immediately  received a call from them saying they would sort it, as they didn’t want to damage their reputations. 
 

The work was done in Chepstow, South Wales. My neighbour did no scouting around, did not get an official quote, no proof of insurance, paid in cash and did not get receipt. (PIKEY! I hear you scream).
 

I potentially have a case based on negligence against my neighbour but I’ll have wait out on that one. I like my neighbours and do not wish to add to their woes.

31 minutes ago, monkeybusiness said:

Sadly, from a law point-of-view they won’t be idiots. They are definitely very clued up con-men well versed in what they will easily get away with. 
Your neighbours have been ripped off by members of a massive criminal enterprise that exists in plain sight in our society, and is apparently pretty much immune from the law. They don’t have traceable trading addresses, property, or even names - it isn’t possible for the systems of society that we law-abiding ‘normal’ people are subject to to locate and prosecute them as they know and exploit the systems inside out.
Once you employ them you are on their terms - you will definitely end up poorer though!

 

I agree with this entirely. I guess the real question is do I roll over and forget about this or, do I put a little bit of time and effort into asking the question. 
 

But you’re right. These people are allowed to operate with complete impunity within society. The futility of the situation is not lost on me. However, it doesn’t hurt to push back every now and then (no innuendo intended). 

7 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

What are you going to do if you should be so lucky to find them?, I've no idea who ripped your neighbor off and damaged your property, but I'm sure they won't be compensating you.

I know they have no intention of paying, that much is clear to me. The police/legal advisors have said that without an address, they cannot do anything. So I would like to know what exactly they would do WITH and address. Most likely nothing but, there are at least legal avenues to pursue with a location. 
 

At this point I have no expectations. I’ll sleep better knowing I tried to do something.

The thought has crossed my mind. And a solicitor even suggested that I call from a different number and take their vehicle details etc (minus the tactical armed ambush :D) 
 

I have accepted that I’m unlikely to get any money from them but, until I know 100% that I won’t find them, I’ll keep having a browse; it’s no skin off of my nose.

I’m still intrigued by the google image search I referred to it in an earlier comment. 
 

Now, they could well be gypsies, or... they could just be idiots. I know you folks have had far more experience with these issues than I have, so I certainly won’t ignore your comments.
 

Like I said though, I’m happy to keep plugging away and see where it leads. 

3 minutes ago, monkeybusiness said:

Standard pikey flyer - you’ll never pin this on an actual physical person at an actual physical address I’m afraid. Your neighbours (and subsequently you) have been the victim of untraceable people who know the law backwards and will continue to defraud and rob the gullible and weak in our society.
All you can hope for is that the scumbags ultimately fall off their stolen ladders onto their stolen chainsaws and into their stolen chippers....

I agree to a some extent. Although I believe anyone is traceable in this era. However, given my lack of time and resources, the person to find them may not be me.

I have a phone number for now, and I have spoken to them a few times, so for now, there’s a slight chance. I’ll take that.

2 hours ago, spudulike said:

The guy didn't have a black truck with spotlights across the top of the cab did he, there is one parked in the drive of one of the houses around that post code!

Part of me actually wants to say yes but, I can’t say for certain; I’ll ask the neighbour. He likes to take pictures on his mobile, perhaps he may have snapped something on the day.

They had a flatbed/tipper and wood chipper. That’s all I know for certain.
 

I appreciate the detective work. It’s actually consumed a large portion of the last week. I should really be looking after the kids and studying!

2 minutes ago, gary112 said:

The other thing is if they are dodgy rip off characters they can turn quite nasty,just saying be careful

Agreed. This has crossed my mind

13 minutes ago, Chipperclown said:

Hi Phil,

 

I am very sorry to hear this both for the damage caused (sounds like a lot) and for your neighbours being ripped off.

 

If I were in you area I would offer to clear the trunk for your elderly neighbours, unfortunately I am not though, perhaps someone may. 

 

I think chasing these people will likely be a waste of your time, even if you find them clearly they will not care!

 

 

Thanks for your words.

To be honest, I’m enjoying the chase, whether I find them or not. However, I’m owed to opportunity to make my case against these people whether they care or not. An address will afford me that opportunity. Both the police and legal advisors have stated that without an address, nothing will happen.

So the hunt will continue ?

Regards

Phil

28 minutes ago, spudulike said:

I have done a bit of crunching....

If you search for Chris Price and the postcode TA1 2RW on 192.com (I don't have a paid account) I see a "Christopher P Price) at "TR1" and he is cohabiting with a "Rebecca J Lock".

If you look up her - you get this address from Companies house and the post code matches your full code....

Rebecca Jane LOCK - Personal Appointments (free information from Companies House)

FIND-AND-UPDATE.COMPANY-INFORMATION.SERVICE.GOV.UK

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Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity

Firstly, I am not saying that these people are related to this incidence or are to blame in any way but a bit of searching has thrown up the name given and the post code to an address - hope it helps......should have been a private investigator! 

Thanks for this. I’ll look into this.  I did run a 192 search before but wasn’t able to get any additional info as you have. This person you’ve found is at a slightly different postcode but, close nonetheless.

I really appreciate your efforts

Phil

3 hours ago, woody paul said:

So uncompleted job as well. Would anyone near by got reg of vehicle they used on cctv maybe. 

Yeah, they’ve left a good 10ft of trunk.
 

Good idea, I’ll ask about. 
 

Regards

Phil

2 minutes ago, woody paul said:

When will people learn, if damage to you property you should be able to claim of neighbour for it as you employed them to do work. 

I’m looking into this. It’s a tricky one. They’re in their 80’s and have already paid through the nose. They still have half a tree in their yard! “We didn’t have a long enough chainsaw”.

Regards

Phil 

Hi folks.

the interesting thing that I’ve found, is that when I run the mobile number they’ve provided through google.co.uk, then select images, it comes up with images from another T.P Tree services near London, with the owner sharing the same surname.

Regards

Phil 

Good evening all.

Firstly, let it be known, I’m not an arborist.

Secondly, I apologise for using your forum for my needs but, I’m running out of viable options.

I am trying to locate the individuals associated with the card displayed in the images attached. These people have extorted my neighbours and left me with significant property damage.
 

I have contacted arborists local to myself (Chepstow, Monmouthshire, South Wales), and a few arborists local to the below address in Taunton but, nobody has heard of them, or have suggested gypsy activity. I’m convinced they are not legitimate.
 

I believe these people have used the name of another arborist based in Cornwall, with whom I have already spoken to.

So far, all the information I have is as follows.

Name: Chris Price
Location: Blackbrook, Taunton, TA1 2RW (maps display this as a leisure centre)
Number: 07786540349

Insurance provider: Trade X 
 

If anyone has any additional information regarding this person, please get in touch. My number is 07724995230

I really appreciate any help whatsoever 

Thanks

Phil Woods