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I could but its in Norwegian and you have to be a member of one of the cooperative housing properties to get access, we get work orders though an administrative body, so there is only general info about the maintenance services we offer....besides i think this is going a bit off topic....i get that eggswhat-ever thinks I’m an asshole who should have minded my own business , mike who doesn’t speak klingon is kind of the same opinion, but his starship enterprise training has left him with good manners. I was curious to know general opinions of what level of pride people placed in there training and education... it seems logical to me that if you’ve worked in an industry for years, learnt the ropes and skills through blood and sweat (and no doubt tears in eggswhat-Ever’s case, as he strikes me as a bit of a bitch), taken a further education course to improve your competence and take pride in your work, that having some one write, everyone who works in your area are muppets with tractors and chippers and my 2 day climbing course makes me the best...that you would think what a twat....but i didnt start the thread to moan and whine about some bloke in my region. I’m proud of what i do, I’m proud of getting up early and working my ass off to support my family, when i walk into the kindergarten to pick up my youngest kid, covered in sawdust, mud and the rest, and theres Erik bear Redbeard parking up in his flash car and in his sharp suit..i think haha, ive been hanging from a tree all day, you can keep your office job and shit loads of cash...ive worked for my title and I’m proud of it and my legacy will be in the trees ive maintained and looked after not in the flash house i leave my kids when I die. So if sending an email to a wannabe who’s claiming glory when he’s only started the battle makes me a dick..so be it...i personally think not taking pride in the work you do or the training you have makes you a bigger dick....that obviously wasn’t all aimed at you mike hill...but thats my mic-drop and here’s where it fell

Directly translates to thanks you shall have...its a bit yoda-ish

Thanks for your consideration and sparing me your real opion for several posts...you shouldn’t have bothered, everyone knows the interwebs is full of over opinionated pimply chat room warriors who spout poison...you’d have saved me from replying courteously to you...but opions is what i asked for and that is what i got, so thanks

Takk skal du ha

Thats where ive been for many years before finally taking the course and passing the exam...still loads to learn but i think the day you stop learning is the day your on the way to extinction...so is it wrong to be irked by such claims in this situation in your opinion

A profession is and to be a professional is but doesn’t the word professionalism conjure up another level of definition?

I haven’t meddled in is business...if the website was in English i would post a link but its not...what he says is on the intro blurb is “there are many firms in the region that carry out tree work, but they are not professional and that in 10 mins they can destroy 100 year old trees, most of them just own a tractor and a chipper and take odd tree work, my firm knows what its doing and we are the leading arborist in the region” where in actually i suspect that seeing as he has (from what i can see) only been doing it for about 2 years....he is the firm that has bought himself a tractor and a chipper. I sent him an email, said i liked his website, agreed with him that it doesn’t take long to kill old trees but that i think its a stretch to be calling your self leading arborists when there isn’t a certified arborist on staff. It wasn’t my intention to go into the details in such depth when i started the post, it was more to find out how much pride people hold in the job title...arborist...but now some of your replies have made me feel like the asshole...I’m ok with that, I’m sure on many levels i am...but surely this level of putting down your competitors whilst essentially making false claims is bullshit website marketing. And the bad guy isn’t the one who questions it but the one claims it?

If in the U.K. its ok to give yourself the title arborist..with your level of experience couldn’t you do just that?

Haha..yeah with maybe an added note that they will do there best not to drop it on the house....no there is a zone in the middle from beginner to expert...humility is not a bad trait...i didn’t expect a reply like yours but I appreciate it. The reason I didn’t was that i thought that people who are certified and have made the effort to become so would be more protective of the title. There is nothing wrong with minding your own business and getting it on with your thing...the world would undoubtedly be a better place for it...its like the story of the little bird who waited too long to fly south for the winter.

I’m not about to boil his bunny, it was more like when i saw his claims of being the leading arborist in the region, i followed the link to his FB page and when things didnt add up i thought I’d send him an email to see what the crack was

Yeah i get that..(for the record i sent him a mail, not phoned him) but i agree that i too would get the hump either way...do you think its ok from a consumers perspective to be claiming professionalism after a couple of years work, is that time enough to build a good enough level of experience to be top of your game?

Ok...but why?

Haha I’m not sure if its a lower tolerance for bullshit..its more the need to always be correct....the tall poppy syndrome is an integral part of the Norwegian psyche...as Bart Simpson calls it Norwegians are norwads

He portrays himself as a company with 5 employees (on his website) but from what ive seen on his FB site its just him and a groundie on jobs...when i asked him why he portrays himself as leading arborists but doesn’t actually have any certified ones on staff, his answer was “that its not a protected job title and he can call himself what he wants and anyway he has 2 certified ETW who are not listed...if this wasn’t to my standards then i could get f_cked”...personally i think he’s full of shit because it costs a lot of money to have staff in norway and he’d have to turning over close to half a mill just to pay for his 7 staff...unfortunately there isn’t that amount of work in the region for that....there are ways to verify this, but as i have said in reply to another post, I’m not that bothered, irked but to no more degree than stepping in dogshit...again it was mainly a feel for what is considered industry standard in other parts of the world.

I always remember my driving instructor telling me that when i pass and get my license, it’s important to remember that i should think of it as a license to begin learning safely...something that i have tried to impart to my own kids....experience counts for a lot

I’m not worried about it, i do my own thing and concentrate on that. Plus as i wrote, his business isn’t a threat to the guys i work for...it was more a case of being interested in what the general feeling about this type of situation is. I’m more worried I’m missing a situation to climb onto my high horse;-)

A good reply. As i understand it, in the U.K. you don’t actually have to be certified to call yourself an arborist and its the same here. As for the level of his work, there are a few pictures on his FB page and it doesn’t appear bad. I came from the professional diving industry and for the most part you had to be certified to get work, but saying that ive dived with non certified divers who knew their stuff and could do the job fine. From what I understand this guy has been in the business for a year or 2, but his website is professional, he’s rocking all the top gearing and the feedback from customers is good (well at least the quotes included on his FB and website)

In norway, they dont have a national certification agency for Arboriculture so those that are qualified are either ISA or ETW...there are a few companies that offer courses with there own certification certificates

It’s a fair comment that i would agree with but from what i understand he does all the work himself. If he does a good job and is safe then fair play to him..however ive always thought that there is more to being an arborist than just cutting down trees...thats not to say you cant learn this information without being certified through one of the normal avenues but if you go down this road you eventually come to the question why get certified.

Hi, i was wondering what the general reaction/thoughts are on the following situation are...I work as the in house certified arborist and landscaper for a property management firm on the west coast of Norway. The other day i came across a local firm who claim on there website to be “leading arborists” followed by the usual blurb about how professional, trustworthy and great they are. After looking over there website it became evident that non of the staff are actually certified arborists. I contacted the main guy and said in friendly terms that it was not good for the industry to be claiming they are leading arborists when they dont have any certified staff members. There firm is not any competion for the one i work for as we service different areas of the market, but it irks me that they make the claims they do. i obviously received a mail back saying i didnt know what i was talking about and that he can call himself whatever he wants and that the 2 day climbing course he’d taken was fine plus he had certified staff members on staff but had negelected to include them on his website. There was a few other comments and bits of misinformation that all adds up to the guy being a muppet and a bullshitter. have any of you similar experiences? The one upside is that based on his notion that he can call himself what he wants, my new job title is “super duper awsome i know it all tree climbing arborist Jedi master” and hopefully such a long job title will get me a pay rise.