apexarb

Hey-up I have had several discussions on this issue of legality. I have been on the parliamentary station office web site where all the white and green papers are published THERE IS NOTHING??? I then rang the people who did back up the fact there is NO specific laws for the use of chainsaws only the Health and safety exe.

Are the people who make money out of us going to kill the goose.

Take car insurance heard up near Tyne-side one poor kid was quoted £9000-00p pound for his first premium!!!! Why? because that other young drivers did not get insured??????

I think someone up there has got something wrong!!

Has for the five year rule this came from councils who rightly I believe made workers who did not regularly use a chainsaw take a refresher course paid for by the council.

Look we all know that most Trainers do not self assess every day for they are not doing the job, are you not told to asses your-self then why are the SO CALLED EXPERTS try to force something on to the industry that is only a what they think is a money spinner.

ANYWAY WHO TRAINS THE TRAINERS???????????????????????????

the trainers if they are registered and most are not have to attend regular update with technical standard verifiers as nptc assessors they have to be re verified bi annually in each group they assess the verifiers job is to keep up with latest minute industry details and pass this onto assessors

i can only speak for myself but i am still on the tools and have been so for 20 years

i take a lot of pride in my training and have a lot of repeat custom from it

it is nothing to do with trainers/assessors to (force it on the industry) to line our pockets

this legislation witch by the way doesnt exist yet for the cs units comes through afag and the hse as a reaction to the high number of "accidendts" each year

whilst i partially agree with the point of view that reassessment/refresher is in some case overkill you have to remember there are guys out there who cant rescue when needed and as for there chainsaw use its frightening

councils and reputable companys have ben refreshing their staff for years now with no fuss

terry registered instructor assessor

This is an arborist forum with the added bonus of a few off topic areas for the regular members entertainment. 9 times out of 10 if there's a contentious thread running it will be in the lounge area. These are nearly always deleted, not because of your ridiculous suggestion of censorship but to keep the focus of this forum where it's meant to be...ARB!

 

I'm afraid we have a different opinion of what defines censorship

ill consider myself told off shall i and its my opinion

i agree its perhaps in the wrong bit of the forum but thats not my fualt

terry

i want to delete this thread right now tbh, my reasons are the title, it is not a touchy subject, you have slagged off a girl who has just lost her life. You have branded her ' junkie ' and you didn't have the decency to call he by her first name.

So what is your actual arguement here?

this is not a thread i would normally get involved with like many others im used to the press reporting sensationalist rubbish with the only motivation to sell paper,

however after reading that the thread may or may not have been deleted on the basis of one persons opinion it reminds us of the power of media and censorship

kinda like a super mega rupert murdoch thing

imagine if he had a big red button!!

terry

here it is hopefully

sorry folks was trying to add picture ill try again

terry

Try starting a 66 outside the bucket

 

I start my saws with the bar outside the bucket between the horizontal rails, power unit inside the bucket, that way you can still put the rear handle between your knees

or an 88

terry

Cheers Terry.

you of course shouldnt use a saw in the bucket with an other occupant unless you have a divider fitted see G.U.M.A

terry

hi as long as the saw is in safe area and cb applied either will suffice however outside the bucket is best depending on size of saw/bar

not going to even get into the yo/yo start topic exept to say dont do it.

there is some very good guidance in G.U.M.A an arb association publication

terry cs47 assessor

On one of the site i manage on Monday i saw some Otters. We had 3 adults and atleast 2 kits that we could see running along the bank. Glad i had my compact with me as got some good shots. They have a holt along the riverbank where i purposefully felled a splitting crack willow along the edge of the river. The willow is still growing and there is loads of shelter and hiding places along the stretch for the young otters to feed.

i saw this one yesterday while waiting for kingfishers

terry

Last week during the trip to Porc we struck up a conversation about great trees and treescapes.

Many of these were planted by people who's vision we now enjoy but who never got to see their own creation after the early stages.

So to start a thread show some great treescapes

 

Here's Kingston Lacey Beech avenue nr Wimborne in Dorset

thats fantastic must go and see for myself thanks for that,

havent got a photo but the bathurst estate avenues witch lead to a landmark are really well thought out i believe they were the work of capability brown

terry

technically you do need the pole pruner unit,

the cs30 bit means that when you do the pole pruner unit you only do the cutting element

if you didnt have cs30 you would have to answer a lot more questions during assement

terry nptc assessor

be carefull with 11mm as they may hurt your hands with lots of use if im using 11mm i use them as a twin system there are lots of great ropes available at the mo give noddy at treeworker a ring he,s probably one of the best able to advise hi no on his web Tree Climbing Equipment Online Shop - Treeworker.co.uk - Treeworker home

terry

Couple general questions from a utility forester here in the US considering relocating to the UK.

1. What is the UA5 designation? Is this similar to ISA certification? Is it required by the utilities or by a governmental regulation?

2. Do utilities hire foresters on their staff to oversee the work or use contractors? Do any utilities employ their own tree workers?

3. Is surveying basically planning and prescribing the work, notifying property owners etc.?

4.I currently work as a contracted forester to a large utility strictly on transmission. I oversee the work, inspect the corridors, resolve refusals, perform outage investigations, etc.. Is there a similar designated position for those in the UK?

 

Any information that could help me figure out what it would take to relocate would be appreciated, thanks.

hi ange you have it almost right some utility companys have direct staff most have contractors ua 5 is at the moment optional with lots of dno,s but is a big advantage and will probably become a prerequiset soon you must first hold ua 1 and 2.1 you can view what these entail by going to the NPTC website and looking at assessment schedules for those units

terry UA instructor assessor

all good advice go easy mate

terry

but you should never use timberhitch on it own as pieces can roll out

terry

the best way to attach to clean timber is clove hitch backed up with 2 half hitches running bowline for forks never use karabiners around timber unless you move it up the rope and slings are probably the quickest but always good to be able to attach with minimum kit

terry

wheres it being offered for that and are you sure the £200 is the total amount

terry

chances are if you speak to nptc and explain whats happened and if your units are done close together you may get them all on one id card but your training provider/assessor should ideally told you this i always get candidates photos on first unit within each group eg, cs units au units this usually suffices

terry

if you havent provided photo then it will cost you an extra £15 for id card cos its your first unit

terry

dont know exactly what it is but heres another

terry

i think its a bit much to assume that any one other than the AAAC you suspect to be overloading does this too

bare in mind that a crewcab transit steel backed tipper must be wighed with all occupants tools and chip usually means the load cannot exceed approximately half a ton then most vans are most of the time overloaded

terry

the walk made the beer taste better,,

good your on here i think thats going a lot towards the more approachable aa keep up the good work

terry

here it is

terry

heres one from africa

terry

i have read all the posts on this particular thread and can identify with all points of view witch by the way are all in favour of improving our tree work practices and reputation as an industry

i too have subcontracted to AAAC,s in the past that have been absolutely awfull i mean the sort of firm where the spikes rarely come off and R,A was never ever done

this put me off the shceme for a number of years and i had the same opinion as some of those apposed on this thread

however that leaves us on the outside looking in and perpetuates the illusion of better or worse standards between approved/non approved contractors

after having finally undergone AAAC assessment and passing i have to say it was a good experience and feel that as a small company i/we have benefitted from it not nessecerilly financially or in my day to day tree work but some of the finer details such as legeslative changes etc

the scheme is by no means perfect but is a lot better than a free for all where flash websites influence our clients choice and often results in some of the worse tree work iv e seen

i would suggest that those who take pride in their work (most people in tree work) and are running reputable company,s would pass the assessment process without too much bother after all it involves only the things we should all be doing to be legally/practice compliant

as far as marketing approachability of the AA vast improvements have been made and there is still a way to go to get more good tree company,s on side

the question i beleive therefore is not why you should be a AAAC but why not.

terry