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I do feel sorry for people who deal with timber or try to sell it,timber merchants are robbing b@stards, you wernt one in a former life ollie?? you do make it very clear how they think!

Or perhaps looking at it from the other side people that are selling think its worth more than theyre getting-- quite often because they dont know enough about timber and expect more-- small quantities/ single trees are always a problem because of collection costs and certainly with some hardwood mills its a long term turnaround on their money

the dumpy bags we use are 90x90x90..

our wood is sold by the bag full only

all customers know the weights of all bags when full min 235-max 300kg..

if all had of read previouse posts,i was saying the max weight on the rear of the van is 1800kg, this depended on which wood was supplyed..

there is no tools on board and only one person in the van..

lol:001_tt2:hope this can be the end of this discussion...

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As long as your customers are happy - and they can always say p off when you get there then thats all that matters you are getting a good price for your logs -- not the first time ive heard of this in your area and good luck to you matey

I would give them external measurements and allow them to calculate there own volumes.

Thats what i asked

I would only ever sell wood by the "bag" or "load", if you go down the road of quantifying the amount of wood, you are leaving your self open to prosecution.

 

I know someone who felt they were getting short measure from their coal merchant.

 

They rang Trading Standards and they came and swept out the coal bunker before a delivery, they then weighed the delivered coal and sure enough the amount on the invoice did not match the derived amount.

 

He was prosecuted and had to pay a hefty fine, plus they would be breathing down his neck for many years to come.

 

If you state a volume or weight be sure your accurate.

 

One of your competitors could get his mum to place an order and ring T/S.

Yes , but how bigs the bag or load? Thats the first question youll get asked

just coppied it from a list of wood weights and volumes!

Not sure what source you got it from or whether it is a conversion for sawn or round timber. Metric for hardwood has always been a bit of a no no and hoppus foot was always and still is a safer way of volume to weight, 25 -28 hoppus/ cubic feet of green oak to a ton.

oak=590-930kg/cu.m

Large variation there-- but green oak will do over a ton to the cubic meter thats why i asked the question because lots of figures were getting bandied about .

To put this thead into context i have just sold an oak trunk 6 cube and the farm matbro would not lift it and if you put it on a transit i think it would colapse.

six cubic what -- meters? if so what do you think that weighs?

would not a transit with a 10 ft x 6 ft x 1ft body be 2 cube by volume

Yes Pete. I should have left them, it's one of those trees that you will always look back on and think, I should have...

 

 

Talking about it last night over some beers with a mate we decided just pulling the tree over with a fat winch would have been the thing to do, no cutting just rip it over.

This is not meant as a criticism, but more as constructive advice, lookingat the photos i am assuming that picture five with the diagonal cut and the saw in the picture is supposedly the gob. If this is the case and assuming that the photo was taken sideways on to the gob then this really is where a lot of the problems start. If you take a line up the tree from the back of the gob then there is very little throat at all as effectiveley all youve done is remove the front toe or buttress. It is better with trees like this to remove the toe first and then put the gob in. If in this case the photo tells the true story then the tree particularly with the rot involved had nowhere else to go but sit on the saw untill enough was released at the back for it to snap off. Removing side buttresses can more often than not be detrimental to the felling of large trees as you are giving away a lot of control you have over the tree.

Poplar will be around 32 cubic foot -- (hoppus) per tonne

Could it not be possible that some of the revenue goes to policing this to try and catch unlicensed carriers so preventing or trying to prevent illegal tipping

if you take the cover off the carb the forked lever should lay about flush with the body of the carb. it does actually sound more like a back pressure problem .i.e stuck ring or scored piston-- did you check piston condition when you had carb off

were the same syptoms there before new carb

so you can use red if you are working on tree's next to a public road,but not in someones back garden.

 

You can carry chip on the mog if it's been harvesting chip and your taking it to temp storage.

 

So can I stick 5 quid of white in, in the morning to get me to and from the Job,use red while I'm chipping and show me reciept to the guy who pulls me?

 

And then to confuse it all my vat registration says I'm in forestry....your honour

No, thats not the case, firstly , the roadside trees will be highways work, but the main issue here and one that is little known is that you cannot actually run off both red and white in one machine.The vehicle has to be registered for one or the otherIf you run off red and get caught doing work outside of exemption then you run the risk of having the vehicle impounded' a heavy fine and back duty to pay . If you register for white then you automatically come into a different taxation class which in most cases would mean tacho, o licence and in some cases H.G.V and m.o.t.

Cheers Dean

Im computer ILLiterate and not capable of that

Following the recent discussion in another thread i thought i would open this as there seems to be a lot of confusion and misleading information .

For anyone whos not lost interest in this one by now google NAACred diesel and read the file RED DIESEL-- ABUSE IT AND LOSE IT

To clarify some of the points in this thread google NAAC red diesel the answers are in a q.a file which seems to say that tree surgery is not covered by white diesel exemption

Just for the record it’s not an offence to use a mog on red provided its registration is in order.

 

The offence is carrying goods ON the mog. You can use the mog on red provided it doesn’t carry any goods (arisings). Goods can be carried in a trailer.

 

Andy.

Why does pulling a trailer make the difference , surely this is still haulage or carrying goods'

The law is clearly defined how you interperet that is a completely different issue .Just because a vehicle is registered as a tractor or ag. vehicle does not mean you can automatically ride around using red derv.

According to our mog dealer "it's not mogs and red,It's any machine and red". His advice

a mog and chipper is an harvester. Chip into the bin and your ok,go back and load it

with yesterdays chip and you can't use red.

 

It's a mine field,the only way each of us will find out is when we get pullled.

IMO the fact that treework i.e treesurgery or arb work is not classed as forestry would point to this being wrong. It seems that some people are manipulating the rules to fit an industry or occupation that enjoys the benefit of rebated fuels.

The term harvester in any situation applies surely to something that is harvesting a crop in either agriculture , horticulture or forestry . I have never found a HMRC document that includes treesugery etc. if someone else has then i would like to read it and will stand corrected.

As i see things what people seem to be overlooking is not as much the type or classification of vehicle but the nature of work it is being used for.It is wrong to try and compare private treework with forestry or that of a Farmer.The hay and straw is classed as an input relevent to the Farmers business as animal feed or a crop produced on land owned or occupied by the same Farmer that is being taken into storage.

there is a HMRC memorandum on this updated in 08- no mention of arbwork-- just the usual agriculture , forestry and horticulture

As i understand it arb work does not actually come under the red derv flag as it is classed on its own away from forestry

What's a hill?

Whats the machine?

looks like a soil stabiliser

Not to disagree, as you obviously know what your talking about, but a deep hinge does'nt mean wasted timber. You can go deep and narrow if you know what your doing.

I trained on 2000+ hoppus douglas fir and big oak harvesting, and undercutting the CofG was always easier than fetching the winch at the wrong moment.

Ihear what your saying Ed but as i understand it we were discussing a tree that was backleaning and already had a rope in it for pulling.Imo if you cut your gob nearer to the heart in this situation particularly with wych elm youre increasing the pull required .

Matty, regarding your queries yes butt rot was common in wych elm along with a lot of shake problems .Regarding fibre nature wych elm is a very forgiving timber to fell and it can be swung through an incredible arc because of its holding properties on quite a small toe.As far as trapping the bar- Im sure lots of people have done that one.In those rotten trees if you cut your heavy side first--saw engine away from this side you will decrease the risk.One useful trick when roping trees like this with a relativeley short butt and big crown is to put your pull rope up over a cleft at the right height , down the back of the tree and anchor it off at head height around the butt.