Prunus

I see you are once again using this forum on social media to advance your personal cause. I have googled you and this is an example of your technique. you take a small piece from the scientific literature out of context and use it to make an unsuportable claim.

• FROM SUEONMULL

• For information this is a quote from THE ECOLOGY OF RAGWORT (SENECIO JACOBAEA L.) - A REVIEW, the New Zealand paper often referred to:

"No study has yet investigated the influence of strong

winds on the long-distance disperal of ragwort seeds,

yet such winds, even if occasional, could still be highly

important. At Arthurs Pass and near Cass, isolated

ragwort plants may have been derived from seed

blown by strong north-west winds from the Westland

side of the main divide, possibly many kilometres (C.

Burrows, pers. comm.). Sheldon and Burrows (1973)

concluded that long distance dispersal of disc achenes

would occur only if the dispersal unit was carried high

into the atmosphere by convection currents."

There are other accepted seed dispersal mechanisms, specifically water courses and animals.

• JeanPaulDubois IN REPLY TO SUEONMULL

3 Aug 2014 16:51

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But it is not fair to make an argument like this. The paragraph before the one you choose. It said.

"While large numbers of seeds are usually produced,

they appear to exhibit relatively poor disperal. Wind is

probably the major dispersal agent. An experiment

conducted by Poole and Cairns (1940) at Piopio,

which involved trays being set out at various distances

from a patch of ragwort plants to trap seed, found

that 60% of the seeds produced were released from

the seedhead, presumably by wind. The majority of

these were dispersed downwind from the prevailing

(north-easterly) direction, and mostly within a few

metres. An almost insignificant minority were

dispersed as far as 36.6 metres. The data show that

the dispersal pattern of ragwort seeds in space is

approximately elliptical, with the centre of the ellipse

a few metres downwind from the source of the seeds."

It is a New Zealand study. The plant there it is not native so any spread might be highly important because the invader is carried to new places. Here in Europe it is a natural plant. Some small number of seeds carried high by convection currents is invisible in effect. It is not to be thought of.

I search "quote mining" and I find it is what you do here. It is the tactic of the creationists, who take something small from something big to make it seem that they are right.

The other pages of that paper also say the seeds do not go far.

You do not use the context properly.

I find this good quote,

"Pseudoscientists often reveal themselves by their handling of the scientific literature. Their idea of doing scientific research is simply to read scientific periodicals and monographs. They focus on words, not on the underlying facts and reasoning."

All the underlying facts and reasoning in that paper says seeds do not normally go far by the wind.

Ahhhh, so it’s only poor badly educated people that support UKIP?

 

Well the letters after my name are B.Eng (Hons), M.Sc, I.Eng, MICE. Would you consider me badly educated? I’ve also noticed that the richer someone is the more likely they are to support Farage…

Yes I would most certainly! The evidence supports it! Letters after a name, and I cannot know if you are speaking the truth, only show that you have passed exams that actually don't require an enormous amount of intelligence to pass, in a narrow area. I know because I have done similar things, but I prefer to be judged on the quality and nature of my arguments rather than any claimed qualifications that cannot be verified.

IMHO, Farage is the best politician we've had since Churchill.

 

When you see him in debate he just runs rings round everyone else.

I really have to disagree with your opinion. Farage is very dangerous. The ideas he espouses are clearly racist.

I don't believe you have the slightest grasp of politics at all.

You talk about saving the NHS. The NHS is a socialist idea. It was brought in by a left-winger called Nye Bevan. The right wing opposes this kind of thing because they oppose socialism of any kind. This is why we have seen creeping privatisation and a doctors strike under a right wing government.

Farage is even more right wing than the tories are. All the MPs that have joined UKIP from the tory party are all the most right wing and the most opposed to socialist ideas. To think they would protect the NHS is nuts.

He talks about saving the NHS because he knows it appeals to the poor and less educated who are the people who far right political parties always target because they lack the ability and education to see through their far mongering and racist nonsense.

He only appears to run rings around people if you lack the ability to understand that he is actually talking nonsense and appealing to less able people.

If he gets elected the CIA will bump him off before he can do too much damage

It is much more likely that Trump will do something that will be grounds for impeachement and that politicians of all sides will take that chance to get rid of him as fast as they can. Even the republicans know very clearly that he is a dangerous madman.

Just look how he reacts to criticism!

This is what a Harvard Psychologist says about him. He is a "psychopath".

Harvard Psychologist Explains Trump Is 'Dangerous' Because He's Literally a Narcissistic Psychopath - Counter Current News

Anyone with any proper sense or judgement of people will know that this is correct and certainly the republican party hierarchy knows this. This is why they have done anything they can to stop him.

This is an old thread but I see Sue has been refering to it on social media.

What do you mean by nit picking?

 

It rather seems to me that we need to look at the bigger picture and that the equine charities have been caught out putting out false information on ragwort that sounds horrific but when investigated turns out not to be true. If the facts given out are false then the awareness raised is also false.

I see you don't want to reply to me and looking around on Google you have had real trouble defending your points when debating the issue. I really am not sure at all that you should be as confident in your beliefs as you are. For example your claim that a post mortem can positively identify PA poisoning doesn't agree with the text books.

Ragwort poisoning no test can confirm ragwort poisoning 100%

It definitely sounds too good to be true to me too!

sometimes relying heavily on nit picking

This is an old thread but I see Sue has been refering to it on social media.

What do you mean by nit picking?

It rather seems to me that we need to look at the bigger picture and that the equine charities have been caught out putting out false information on ragwort that sounds horrific but when investigated turns out not to be true. If the facts given out are false then the awareness raised is also false.

Pitty he didn't get the number!

I think it is a lesson to us all. Take photos of everything and store them on-line in case your computer equipment gets stolen!

In my experience it can go away on its own if it is mild anyway. It doesn';t affect all of the hand, as someone says, because that part is actually a different nerve.

I have seen incorrect statements about laws from pest control companies on a number of occasions.

Well said Chris.

 

Sorry your thread got rubbished. I'm sure 'Easy Lift Guy' has successfully alienated himself from the majority of the UK Arb community with his strange rants. I'd be very interested to see if he 'exhibits' here again, after voicing his dislike of us.

Without question he has alienated himself!

I am sorry the thread was derailed by this man's ranting. It is a serious question. The problem is that rich people seldom realise that being poor is not the poor people's fault. We have an insurance system in Britain that is for the welfare of the people.

We have Ian Duncan Smith in charge of it and even his colleagues think he isn't smart enough. It is rather obvious to me, that he is a bit thick

Inside the Coalition: Iain Duncan Smith was 'not clever enough' claimed Osborne - Telegraph

Was on a small managed site in Dorset this morning; 14 species seen in an hour but none in any real numbers.

Nothing much out of the ordinary except for half a dozen Small Coppers and four or five Silver-Washed Fritillaries.

 

According to a knowledgeable local gent the site has 3 Hairstreaks resident. With continued good management - not guaranteed as it's private - it could be a special place.

14 species in an hour is really quite good.

Numbers of butterflies aren't great this year.

J.K. Rowling's charity giving knocks her off Forbes' billionaires list | MNN - Mother Nature Network

Exactly. I think good old JKR deserves the money she's earned and she is well known for giving it away. Her mother dies of multiple sclerosis so they get a lot. She runs her own charitable foundation for kids. Good for her.

and all the talk about socialism. Well the evidence is that she is one. A Labour Party supporter and read her books. Full of anti-prejudice and anti-racist ideas.

Knocking snobs and toffs who look down on others. I think she is great.

She probably needs a hedge for the privacy because of the problems she has with the gutter press.

This is the advice I would follow. The Ombudsman should find in your favour I would have thought but the problem is you will be dealing with someone with little specialist knowledge. Make sure you have as much technical detail as possible both with approaching the Council and the Ombudsman.

Even to carry a knife seems to be the act of a complete crazy nutcase. I'd be surprised if the assailant doesn't have a stringof other convictions.

I can't agree with those who would want to bring back the death penalty though.

It would be a very silly things to do. The problem is that there will always be mistakes. The famouse case was over the Guildford Pub bombings where the police had even hidden alibi evidence from the police and the forensic evidence was bonkers. They had claimed that the people had been handling explosives when it turned out that similar substances (Nitrocelluloses) wre present in every day items like the playing cards they had used.

The judge famously declared that he would have used the death penalty if it had still been available. Yet the people were very obviously innocent.

Another one was the case of child murders where the medical expert had his own crank ideas which were accepted by the court ( he wsa I believe struck off over it ) and they were obviously cot deaths and the poor mother was eventually released.

Don't forget these were ordinary people it could happen to YOU!

I have only seen it on ling, in the wild, It causes dead pathes in the heather.

Yes. That is where I have seen it too. I think it starts off with proper roots and then becomes parasitic. Quite interesting really.

Glyphostate on the bits that come up might help

Well brownfield sites are not necessarily wastelands some of them can be very important ecologically. How are they going to define the term?

I'd guess this would be Gunii, but Chiltern Seeds list a number of species which they claim can be grown in the UK.

nice vids especially the beech removal looked well thought out and looks like you've got the grinder trained well just like taking it for a walk with the remote

Yes really nice videos I agree. It is hard work someitmes with those grinders.

That only gets you existing information, not opinion. And definitely nothing helpful, as Council's hate them. Even when there's nothing to hide, it is really tiresome responding to them. I used to work for a couple of Councils and used to have to spend 1/2 a day dealing with some nonsense or other from some [forum-rules-forbidden-noun] with nothing better to do than send in smartass requests when a phone call would have got them a more helpful and quicker reply.

The reason people do them, however is that councils are often very very uncooperative about information with officers lying and hiding things when they are to blame.

To give you an example I know of an example where after the 20 working day statutory period someone discovered that the information was kept on a shelf in the officers office. Or another case where a claimed report, used to fob someone off, actually didn't exist.

It really does depend on the council or the officers, but some people tell lies regularly which forces the public to be formal.

Thanks. That is really useful.

Ithink you might be better off finding a moth forum. There are several.

If you were to ask there someone would probably know.