Land Skills Training

LAND SKILLS TRAINING & ASSESSMENTS LTD

We require a full time Instructor and Assessor to join our team in Surrey.

Ideally applicants should be an approved Lantra Awards Technical Instructor and a registered City and Guilds Assessor for both Ground Based Chainsaw and Aerial Tree Work.

The successful applicant will be based at our Dorking office but will be required to travel directly to and from training sites. A company vehicle including fuel will be supplied for work use.

Hours will be 8.30am to 4.30am on site but will be flexible in line with course/assessment requirements.

The role will include teaching a variety of short courses and assessing certificates of competence mainly in the specialist areas of Arboriculture and Forestry including Use and Maintenance of Chainsaws, Woodchippers, Stumpgrinders, Brushcutters, Tree Felling, Tree Climbing and associated machinery. There will be the opportunity to develop and add further skills in line with the company requirements.

The successful applicant will be required to undertake a DBS check.

Salary and holiday entitlement negotiable in line with current skills.

Interested applicants should send their CV to [email protected] for confidential consideration.

LAND SKILLS TRAINING & ASSESSMENTS LTD

We require a full time Instructor and Assessor to join our team in Surrey.

Ideally applicants should be an approved Lantra Awards Technical Instructor and a registered City and Guilds Assessor for both Ground Based Chainsaw and Aerial Tree Work.

The successful applicant will be based at our Dorking office but will be required to travel directly to and from training sites. A company vehicle including fuel will be supplied for work use.

Hours will be 8.30am to 4.30am on site but will be flexible in line with course/assessment requirements.

The role will include teaching a variety of short courses and assessing certificates of competence mainly in the specialist areas of Arboriculture and Forestry including Use and Maintenance of Chainsaws, Woodchippers, Stumpgrinders, Brushcutters, Tree Felling, Tree Climbing and associated machinery. There will be the opportunity to develop and add further skills in line with the company requirements.

The successful applicant will be required to undertake a DBS check.

Salary and holiday entitlement negotiable in line with current skills.

Interested applicants should send their CV to [email protected] for confidential consideration.

Break down kit (untie knots etc ) ready for inspection

Make sure karabiners are lubricated properly and make sure everything has an ID or serial No.

And tip sawdust out of kit bag!

I "think" due to the fact they include the level 3 Arb diploma the course is recognized as more of an educational course and gets funding towards it which brings the price down.

 

 

 

Yes the course was a fair bit more in the past.

Ah yes if subsidised by funding then that would help:thumbup1:

Price is £1200.

 

ALL fees included

 

Im currently on my last week of this course and this is the first time they have ran it as a level 3 course which for the price and time frame seems a real bargain.

 

Cant fault any aspect of the course at all, been a very enjoyable 10 weeks.

If that’s the case and definitely includes NPTC assessment fees for the Four CS units (which would normally be over £400.00 on top of the college training) then this is a fantastic price.

Collis tree service have a yard in Dorking. Mark is a good chap and may let you tip there.

Al

thanks for the reference - I love you too.

But sold Collis Tree Services at end of May to concentrate on Land Skills Training.

Hope you are keeping well

Mark

For Basic Climbing & Rescue courses Harness, Climbing Rope, 5m Work positioning Lanyard, Prussik Loops x3, Karabiners x 5, Helmet.

Feel free to call us as we run these courses and you could hire some stuff so you can try before you buy. If you want to buy then try ATS Machinery at Lower Beeding who are not far from you. We could possibly get you some discount for you if on one of our courses.

Cheers Mark

Yep lots of good advice above. But just a note that the CS units are currently being replaced by new QCF units.

Also check whether the price includes the assessment fees for the units. You may find that the price covers only the training and that you may have to pay quite a lot extra for an independent assessment to gain the qualifications!

Good Luck

Mark

The only reason for using it is for cutting a tree of over 2 bar length, ie, when, if you bore in from one side and swing the saw right around the back of the tree there will still be a part of the tree at the back of the hinge which has not been cut and will prevent the tree from going over. I've seen this happen on oaks and even a loader struggling to push the tree over, with only about 4" unsevered in the centre behind the hinge. The hinge should be sllightly thicker each side in order to compensate for the lack of holding wood in the center. There are all sorts of diagrams available in the books which show what I mean. Any benefits for milling are a bonus, not the reason for doing the cut.

Yep agreed

Bore through the front of the sink and through where the centre of the hinge would normally be in order to remove the centre of the tree if your bar is too small. In standard felling cut the hinge should be 10% of the trees diameter (at felling height). If you do this then a thicker hinge must be left either side to compensate for the absence of the middle part of the hinge. This is taught now in “felling trees over 380mm diameter QCF” (previously felling medium size trees).

Different to the bore used in dog tooth cut which is from the side to prevent barber chair/splitting and should not remove the hinge.

For larger “hung up” trees bore through the hinge from the back of the tree (Letterbox Cut) but please only do this if you are aware of the inherent dangers of doing it!!

Be careful of kickback and take extreme care whenever carrying out bore cuts.

Hi Guys

We run this course 3 or 4 times a year in Surrey.

In brief

You will need to have some experience in Tree Survey/Inspection work and a good knowledge of the common tree pests and diseases along with their implications for the tree.

You need to be familiar with the works of Dr Alex Shigo and Claus Matteck.

The course is aimed at Tree Officers, Contracting Company Owners/Managers, Consultants, Tree Suveyors who already have a basic understanding of Tree Inspection.

Hope this helps.

Mark

Hi Mike

Just to let you know there is no large tree felling assessment any more. The medium tree felling has had the diameter size increased to cover this.

The new QCF qualifications (Felling Trees Over 380mm diameter) now allow for this to be an integrated assessment (assessment carried out by an accredited instructor) over 4 days. Or an independent assessment is still available if you prefer.

I imagine that we are not local enough for you but we do have the new QCF course running in Surrey in about 8 weeks time, at beginning of Jan

FYI this would count as small tree felling (now called felling trees up to 380mm diameter QCF) refresher and give you the new “Ticket”

Hope this Helps

Cheers Mark Collis

Land Skills Training for LANTRA COURSES & NPTC Qualifications

01306 876404

There are plenty of people in their 40s 50s and 60s doing chainsaw training and assessments all the time. - Never too old to learn -go for it and enjoy.

Like all the Guys previous to me said - Do not get involved unless you have a written spec signed and agreed by both parties.(if they are happy with the spec they will be happy to sign if they are not happy to sign they will be trouble). If you are concerned regarding root damage/soil movement affecting or damaging bore hole etc then get an Arb consultant to do a report (paid for by client). Otherwise will be loads of hassle.

Agreed - if you practice regularly whist at work, then this will count as keeping your skills up to date. But you should keep a record of what you practice.

Cheers Mark

2 days to refresh all those sounds not too bad every 5 years. Hope they pay for you and its quite common when they do that if you leave within a year or so that you may have to pay all or some of it back. Employers are worried about investing in training and then because people have more qualifications they are more attractive to other companies and can go and work for someone else down the road for a better wage.

hope it sorts itself out cheers Mark

Hi Mike

Latest version of AFAG 805 was May 2011.

Time spent refresher training depends on what specific subject is to be covered for example Maintenance,Crosscutting, Felling(up to 380mm), Felling (over 380mm) Chainsaw use in tree, Dismantling etc etc.

Have they told you exactly what you need to refresh?

Cheers Mark

Obviously the trees fault for leaning the wrong way - anyone can see that!!!

Great Idea

The AA Guide to Good Climbing Practice has some reference to standard rescues but a filmed rescue would be useful to refresh us all

cheers Mark

Guys I completely agree with Paul. please read AFAG 805 this is good guidance put together by people massively experienced in our industry for the HSE. Also the HSE INDG 317 Chainsaws at work.

The AA Guide to Good Climbing Practice says Aerial Rescue rescue should be practised regularly (once every 3 months is suggested)

In house refresher training is perfectly acceptable if the person giving it is competent. But you must keep a record of the subjects covered. There is no set time for refresher courses it depends on your experience in a lot of cases it is possible to be observed by an accredited instuctor/assessor very quickly and as long as he is happy that you are carrying out the operation to the latest industry best practice he can produce a certificate of attendance to say he has observed you.

Most employers prefer to opt for nationaly recognised training organisation (Lantra Awards, NPTC, AA etc) as these are taught by registered specialist instructors and the content of the course is more than sufficient to satisfy - this is what you pay for? Wise words from Rich Rule if you progress from Climbing and Rescue to Arboricultural Pruning or Dismantling it will count as refresher training. Also as Mark Cattell says keep records of CPD (shows visited, books read etc) these are all useful in showing you are keeping your skills up to date. Hope this helps

Cheers Mark Collis

P.S Dont shoot the messenger.

Two people with different views can't both be right, but they can both be wrong:grinning-smiley-003

Hi just noticed your post, we have Professional Tree Inspection Course running in December if Surrey is a suitable location? - see web site for details

cheers Mark

Guys

I'll try and keep it simple.

The CS units form NPTC (City and Guilds) are going. They are being replaced by QCF (Qualification Credit Framework) so that they will meet the recently revised NOS (National Occupational Standards).

Both Lantra Awards and City and Gulids NPTC will now be offering exactly the same QCF qualification.

eg QCF Level 2 Award in Chainsaw Maintenance and Crosscutting. QCF Level 2 Award in Felling and Processing trees up to 380mm etc etc. (most of the qualifications remain similar to the old CS units with some slight changes in line with current best practice). There are also some additional new QCF qualifications available.

The choice is yours regarding how you acheive these qualifications. Both Lantra Awards (since Oct 1st) and City and Guilds NPTC (soon) will offer training courses in order to prepare you for the usual Independent assessment. (other training providers are available) These QCF assessments can be booked via an Lantra Awards "Centre" or an NPTC assessment centre, both of whom have a list of accredited assessors. Your training provider should be able to either arrange this for you or put you in touch with an assessment centre.

In summary Lantra Awards and City and Guilds NPTC are both offering training and assessment in the same new QCF qualifications. Both organisations say this should make it a more streamlined process and give you better value for money - lets see

Sorry did I say i'd keep it simple:confused1:

We are running a course on 25 November in Surrey. If you're interested ring 01306 876404.

Take a look at our website. We are a Lantra Awards training provider and as such offer short courses for all arb units as well as first aid, pesticides, tree inspection, loler, chippers, strumpgrinders etc. We also arrange the NPTC assessments as well. We are in Surrey so not too far from East Sussex - give me a call if you want more info.