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Tip, If you want to check your knifes before fitting for cracks, spray with brake n clutch cleaner, as the fluid evaporates any cracks will be the last to evaporate and soon become apparent as the fluid will seep into any hairline, this will also clean your knifes ready for fitting.

First chipper, Then if you want a good all round machine and have an old style driving licence and can tow over the stupid 750kg law then don't buy any British made chipper, look to buy a used USA chipper with a letter box infeed, some thing like a Bandit 65, Vermeer or the Terex 700 chippers . These type of chippers will give you high performance and low running cost which includes fuel costs as they will eat up your wood with out the anti stress allways coming in and they will take true dia materal. As a rule a 6x6 infeed will not do 6" material. You dont need to be on site trimmimg up all day for it to fit in the infeed of your chipper. you want to be able to feed and go. This all sounds great but only if you can tow over 750kg as the USA chippers will come in around the 1100kg. Hope this helps . Good luck.

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Orange Plant, York Depot have a Carlton 7015TRX. hope that helps

Orange Plant are the new UK agent for Greenteeth I think they have stocks due in this month. Give them a go.

Anyone know much about blowing mulch etc.

Hydroseeders, Straw Blowers, Bark Blowers, Landfill Solutions, Erosion Control Equipment, Material Transfer System, Consumables - Finn Corp.. Barkblowers, looks like a good tool.

I know not another stump gring thead.

I am looking at getting my first stump grinder. I have used many varieties over the years but like any one want to make the right choice.

 

I like to look of the bandit side winder but would like to see if any ones used one(opinions please) or got any suggestions for something similar.

 

I want it to be narrow but powerful to do 70-80% of stumps well.

 

Whats your thoughts

If you want to get through a lot of stumps then I would not go for a swivel type grinder. The problem you will find is when you push the grinder hard the wheels will swivel rather then the cutter head going thorugh the stump! common problem when the teeth get worn or the ground is slippery, JBM had a lot of problems when they brought this type of style out. The best grinder on the market of this size is the Carlton 2010. reasons being, It is 29" wide, has a very strong build quality, has a sandvik cutter head so will cut through stumps with easy without you having to put much effort into trying to swing from side to side, tooth life is measured in 100hrs not no 10's and sharpening is done on the wheel so no need for spanners and down time. also the machine is very low maintenence with only 2 grease points. Oh and it will grind deeper then any other ginder of this type because Carlton had the sense to mount the engine tilted back towards the operator so the engine when at work will not run out of oil like the other grinders out there.

The big plus is back up, I think Carlton is now supported through five outlets in the UK, I heard that Liston and Orange plant have got together so anyone can go to any of those dealer depots for parts and service.

Hope that helps , Good luck.

Looking for some advice on whether or not to buy a Vermeer BC1000.

What im really after is some feedback from owner/users of these machines.Do they chip well, do they break down, any common faults?

We intend to put it out mainly doing back garden work, so it must be able to deal with everthing from take downs to hedge clipping jobs.

Honest answers please

Before you buy, check out Woodsman 730B, seen loads of these in the USA and Germany. these chippers have been giving Vermeer a good run for their money. http://www.listonequipment.co.uk

Sandvik mining and contruction.

 

How has the price gone up to £1200?

HEY Liston have standard Dura disk complete wheels for a Vermeer 252 for £975 x vat .

Don't get confused with the Dura disk 2 as this has more teeth then a standard dura disc.

Have a word with the Liston Parts guy Alan, he is very helpful with regards grinder wheels.

I hired a Carlton 4012 from Prochip which had 300 hrs on the clock two thirds of the teeth were original from new. You don't get that from vermeer super teeth nor rayco supper teeth.

That Sandvik wheel cutters deeper then any tooth i've used before.

As far as I'm aware, Woodsman are no longer supplied through Liston, as ERM now have their own dealer in the UK. Besides, if you talk to a Woodsman owner about getting spares, you'll get an interesting reception.

 

As for backup from Global, there are a few threads on here discussing that thorny subject.

 

Vermeer probably have the worst chipper but the best service and backup.

 

Its a funny old world.

If Liston are not the dealer for Woodsman then I think you might want to drive past their depot as they have got three brand new machines parked outside or did last week any way.

I checked out woodsman chippers web site and they are listed as Dealer for Europe ?.

What drum chippers do you guys use? Im looking to get one to hire out, i dont know a lot about them. What are good and why also what are not so good and why?

The best drum chipper you can buy is the one that you can get full dealer support and spare parts for as if you can't, then even the best machine is useless when down.

Your choice in the UK is:

Woodsman from Liston

Bandit from Global.

The choice is yours, both are USA made, both have heavy duty build and both have dealers with engineers and parts departments. plus most important they both have full CE certs.

ive never seen a Carlton cutting but arnt the sandvick wheels supposed to cut better than the stick teeth?

The sandvik will cut a lot smoother with less power draw when down in the ground it appears.

I also spoke to a 4012 user the other day and she said that they are getting over 150hrs plus on the Sandvik teeth.

But overall the Carlton seamed to have a better hydraulic system that was very quick on response.

The Bandit just appeared to me to be a bad copy:thumbdown: of the Carlton, I'd say about 3 years behind in build and workability. However that is my personnal opinion.

Carlton 4012 stolen with trailer right out side the job.

they gas cut the chain securing the trailer to the landrover, even left the smoking chain link in the road.

In just under 5mins of arriving at job. going with customer to view stump in back garden, return to road, WHAT NO GRINDER:confused1:

Looks like pro job, followed to the job and then taken.

(could easely been next Oceans 14 film)

Anyway.

Its a 2003 Carlton 4012 Diesel, Red paint work and has greenteeth fitted. If you get it offered to you get, the s/no.

To add even more grey clouds to the gloom, most arb equipmnet comes in from Europe, I read the Pound/Euro echange rate has fallen by 20% in the past year. Does this mean all our gear goes up in price as well as all our fuel combined with shortage of work.

Find me a stout bough and a length of rope gloom gloom gloom

Most gear that tree companys should be looking at now is USA equipment. The Dollor is stil low. example

German chipper 7" £20,000

USA Chipper 7" £14,000

No brainer climbing gear, 20% lower in price.

Long term investment in hardwear, USA last over 15% longer so less depreciation on your books.

At the moment the USA is in big slow down so you can get a good deal on most equipment from a UK outlet on almost any thing to do with the treecare stuff.

Whos going to the APF?. Will it be affected by the credit crunch

I used to run a WHO 12 foot tub with 860hp. Way to thirsty for my liking. Then had a bandit Beast with 375hp that would equal the Tubs output. Hard to beat the Coneheads diesel fuel / output ratio though.

Hey Ed have you seen the Woodsman drum chippers ?

They seam to be getting around the UK now and seam to be the larger 20" & 22".

They look a bit like your Cone head chipper.

I was speaking with a guy the other day at the AA show who told me that Europe recycling were no longer the Agents in the UK for Woodsman:confused1:, you seam to know whos who in the chipper world what do you think .

does anyone have or have operated one of these ? what are your views

thanks

I have seen one on a side by side demo with a Carlton 4012 with sandvik wheel.

The Carlton wins hands down at I recon a 2/1 performance. Noise and ease of use.

Seen one on the weekend working,looked big h/p and nicely built.

 

Upswinging rotor i didnt know that,i suppose that gets better cutter life??

Hey the up swing suffers from productiverty as the material is not being cut of an anvil area you will see this on big wood:thumbdown:, when it comes to big wood grinders I recon that the Precision husky and Bandit Beast are good to see.

The petersons and alike all religh on horse power with loads of grunt and brut force to get the material through the mill. also Peterson have a fairly small dia rotor so not one of the best on the market.

Most impresive machine I have seen for brut power is the CBI Grizzley.

Thought I would mention that If any one has got a bandit problem then you can take it to Liston's.

Liston is owned by Dave kendall who knows just about most stuff on Bandits.If you all remember Bandit was sold By Kendall Machinery Ltd , see the connection.

I know that Liston has a mod for model 65 feed problems.

Liston also stock some Bandit parts, like knifes ,anvils, I think they have parts on their web site shop.

Seen all these problems before on Bandits:bored:

Some things to check out, in the manual it shows how to reset the relief valve on the feed roller system, normaly located on the forward reverse valve block. Do this first as this should be done by your dealer with in the first 50hrs of use as the valve beds in and then reliefs far to early.Its simple to do.

This will normaly cure 90% of the problems you have in your video.

Next way to go is weld some key stockbar between the rails on the bottom feed roller to reduce the depth as this is the cause of jamming of the roller, the key stockbar will stop dry wood laying in the gaps.

These points should make the machine performe like you expect.

On the Bandit 65 & 90 make sure your knifes are sharpe and your anvil is nice and close to your knifes if this is done right there an't many chippers out there that will perform better.

Carlton make a 1260 model simulare machine to the Bandit 65 and don't get the problem, whilst also incresing the hydraulic power on the rollers. Liston Equipment have a video of it working on thier web site.

Any one know what the choice is of the American chippers availible in the UK ?.

If you can't be bothered to sharpen your teeth have a look at Greenteeth from Liston's. Use, turn, three times then throw away . you can sharpen them if you want but we don't bother as you get loads of life from them and more productiverty, 25% more then most teeth.

Sorry Pete I did mean the Woodsman how ever the point still stands on infeed sizes.

Has any one seen the bar system on the new Bandit chippers ? as that does not follow the HSE i think but they have been at exhibitions lately and no safety person has pulled them up on it ????.

The playing field on these bar systems is wide open it seams.

Just reading this weeks HortWeek. Sally Drury does an article about another imported American woodchipper. I've seen these at a trade show. To my eyes, the infeed was too short, the safety bar was a "top bar" when it should be a "bottom bar", there was no "latching" device, the infeed sloped down to the rollers and not up and you could touch the bottom roller with your boot from underneath. Please, all you chipper buyers out there - buy a reputable machine from a reputable source.

Hey pete. The machine you talk about has a big sticker in the infeed that said "Machine feed only".

But we need to remember why we have these infeed bar regulations, it was because a arborist had his foot taken off due to blocked small european chipper infeed. Had the infeeds of most chippers been large enougth to take the wood with out continual blocking then the need for some one to put their hands or feet in the machine would have been averted.

I think how some manufactures quote chipper sizes need looking at as a 6x6 hole do not do true 6" material. most arborist trimmings are bent which will not go in the chipper.

What is the advantages or disadvantages of each

or is it personal choice ?.