DBHabMan

Yep, I would've thought so, pretty underhand way to do things. I'll bet most folk just roll over and never question it. It was only a few quid but it all mounts up. Another recommendation for Turtle Covers, have them in the hilux and been really pleased with them. Got a BEDRUG installed this time in the back instead of a plastic liner and it's really good; brilliant for the dogs and when you have to climb in back you don't get the knee pain you get with the plastic. If i carry fuel or oil I put it in a plastic box to prevent spills although it's supposed to cope with that and be washable.

thanks a lot for that; at the service a couple of weeks ago I told them it was frequently 'unavailable/clean windshield' especially in the morning. Service report said 'probably condensation', no fault codes so no case to answer!!! In the customer survey after the service I pointed out that if this was supposed to be safety feature then this wasn't satisfactory. Heard nothing. Obviously my dealer not in the loop or can't be arsed. They also tried to sting me for the washer fluid which I topped up the night before and a full 10l of adblue which was another crock of S*** because i put 10l in myself 1000 miles ago. Apparently these are "standard" items that go on the invoice; I can't believe that's even legal to do that? Thanks again D

I have a set of Thule bars fitted to the pickup canopy and you can get a pair of Thule attachments which are designed for securing things like canoe paddles, they are the perfect thing for fitting a Stihl pole pruner into and very secure. If you google "Thule multipurpose rack" has a strong metal rope with a toggle to secure it and the pruner is protected by a rubberised clamp. looks like they're a lot dearer now than when i got them but if its a £700 pruner its worth doing it right

I was just going to go for an Icon too but when I looked into it with the dealer I got a much better offer -pound for pound- by going for the Invincible. I believe that if you're doing it with one of the BASC/NFU type offers where the dealer is just acting as a middle man, they get a bigger £bonus/kickback for selling the higher spec model so its worth exploring. I'm really pleased I made that choice, it's my only vehicle so some of the 'comforts' make it nicer to live with as an all-time everyday machine. As someone mentioned above the reversing camera is a great thing to have and the wee tiny buttons on the door handle that let you unlock it with your nose or fingertip when your hands are full is a brilliant feature!! seriously! The radar seems to be a complete gimmick and the road sign reading camera is a bit meh..... Very good towing approx 2.5 tons of compact tractor around anyway, way way better than 15 plate L200. I didn't think the 'X' model was worth the extra money but it was beyond me anyway.

The DPF explanation always seems to be "you do a lot of short journeys". I would assume the vast majority of pickup buyers fall into the short journey bracket. Seems to me that its new technology forced through on the back of 'saving the planet' but it's a technology that doesn't suit vehicles that exist in the real world....(nobody told me that the truck contained technology that was incompatible with my lifestyle before I bought it) For me it's just a nuisance, I'd be worried if, say it was drinking adblue and obviously doing it too much but my first fill of adblue lasted almost exactly what the manual said it would, about 9000 miles iirc? Have a friend with a new Discovery Sport and it is drinking adblue like it was Irn Bru. I've never timed the regen process, it probably doesn't last as long as I think it does because it annoys me and you're never sure how long it's being going before you go to stop. I think the longest I've ever waited on it must be about 3-4 minutes but I'm not sure to be honest. One thing I have discovered; if you let it run its course and then switch off right away it will start the process again if you re-start the vehicle relatively soon thereafter. I think it needs to run for a while to get it cooled down sufficiently for the computer to see the process as totally complete? If you stand near the exhaust when it's doing the regen it is flipping hot; service manager said something like 700'C in the filter?? I may be being over cautious but I reckon with those sort of temperatures involved it's better to let it do it's thing properly and not switch off mid-cycle despite what the garage said. Yes; if I had to rely on a radar for me driving safely it's time to give up! And amazingly I've never even seen a Moose run out in front of me yet as I was convinced that would happened as soon as I bought a Hilux. (Don't forget the 17.5% off deals if you're eligible; I wouldn't be driving one if it wasn't for that!!!)

I can't compare to the 3l as i didn't have one but in comparison to my L200 (2015 last of the older shape) the new Toyota tows far better. It may 'only' be 2.4l but it is very torquey and it has never struggled at all with about 2.6T behind it. Very stable too and it's more 'relaxed' than the L200 was if you get my drift, it just feels like it's not having to work hard at all. Already this year done 2 separate long (business) trips to the Outer Hebrides and Orkney well over 1000 miles on each one and I'd say it's the most comfortable vehicle I've ever had. My L200 seats almost had me on an operating table with back trouble and the Hilux has sorted all of that. On the Orkney trip managed to get 38.8mpg on one of the longer runs too and that was Highland roads not motorway. MPG wasn't great up until 13-14000 and then it seemed to free up quite a bit. The Hilux is so quiet I really have to watch my speed in it. Overall in terms of practicality, comfort, towing ability etc etc I really like it, best motor Ive ever had (Guess whats going to happen now.....) Only negatives would be the regeneration cycle for the DPF. Wants to do it at the most inconvenient times and although the garage said just to switch it off I don't and I let it complete the cycle before I do so just in case. So ironically the 'planet-saver' means I burn more fuel letting it do its thing.... The radar thing on the front is a complete gimmick for me and only works in bright sunshine when it suits itself and I can't see how it will ever stop an accident. I have a wee bit of chassis corrosion but nothing like some of the pics above so not unduly worried yet. Anything specific just ask

iPhones fine too so it is a bit odd.... the other wee thing that’s odd is that last year when I started the previous thread on this I uploaded the pics and they were pretty sharp. This time, even though the pics I uploaded were a few kB bigger they don’t come out well at all. Anyway i can manage with the iPad to respond to posts in the meantime. Thanks Steve. If it sorts itself out or I find a solution I’ll let you know. Cheers d

Hello, I can see all the posts in the topic when I’m not logged in but when I do log in I can only see the original post and below it is just blank. Really weird. Didn’t happen before so not sure what’s changed? No apparent problems on other forums I subscribe to. Bit of a puzzler. Works fine on iPad.

Nope no better and this file is actually bigger than the photos I uploaded on the thread I started last year....

Sorry about the poor photos, I’ll try and put them on the iPad and re upload them. Simply can’t use the forum with safari on the Mac. It used to be so don’t know what’s happened.

It’s on a big old silver fir, has a bit of decay at the very top. Quite close to building hence my concern. thanks

Started a thread on this last year but didn't have photos of underneath. It has reappeared again and relevant photo attached. (Tried to update the old thread but site wouldn't let me) Any info much appreciated, thank you. <<EDIT: Apologies for poor quality and size of photos, don’t know what’s gone wrong, having problems viewing forum on safari for some reason hence why I started new thread. >> DB

too late for your decision but I got the AT KO2's fitted by the dealer when I got the new Hilux; they are unbelievably quiet for such a treaded tyre, had a couple of people comment on it to so not just me. The only thing I have discovered; just be careful in the wet on a tight corner or roundabout especially rain after a dry spell when the road is greasy. A friend with a Navara also in KO2's warned me about this as he's experienced it too so not just vehicle specific.

no, I don't think you would confuse this smell with 'newness' it was a real stink!! It sounded from an earlier post that you did relatively short journeys too?? so it's interesting that you haven't encountered this either..... Technician also says that yes, if I drove it harder it would be less likely to need regeneration but I have to say that the Hilux is going to provide me with he best chance i've ever had in a pickup of getting nicked for speeding. The L200 was like a tractor in comparison and I tootled about at 50-55 most of the time because that was 'enough'. Keep having to check myself in the hilux for going too fast. The road sign camera/warning system was ok but it became a bit annoying and I'm getting more used to it now and keeping speed accordingly. Its just that the level of refinement is so much better and I'm not sure whether it's the new version of BFG's themselves or the insulation from road noise but it's exceptionally quiet for a pickup too.

Ha ha yes I know the feeling, don't ask me what I did last week but I'll remember something from decades ago!! The manual says: DPF System Characteristics *idle speed increases during regeneration *the smell of the exhaust gas differs from a conventional diesel vehicle *white smoke may be emitted The technician has confirmed that the Toyota system is different and adblue is used in the dpf regen process. (The L200 used the extra diesel injection process and even had an extra mark on the dipstick (x) above MAX to allow for diesel getting into the sump and diluting the oil:confused1: When it got to the X you were supposed to get the now diluted oil changed. I was never comfortable with this. Apparently the Toyota system doesn't have anything like that and happens 100% within the exhaust system. (so it's not like the Isuzu one either!) It's just the nature of the beast that I do the journeys I do and I'm going to be more susceptible to the regeneration happening when I'm stopping. If i did switch off it would be logged in the computer as a failed regeneration and thats that. You're quite right that if I drove it harder it would probably happen less but I drive the way i drive and I can't imagine I'll be unique especially with a pickup. I'm also now booked in to get the radar fixed after which it will be virtually impossible to have an accident

that certainly makes sense (and a better explanation than I've had before) but the thing thats been happening to me definitely involves a very very hot smell/stink coming out from the front towards the end of this process/cycle whatever it is. (likened to someone taking a slash on a hot exhaust and i believe adblue has similar chemistry to urine?) I'm going to chase up the radar thing this afternoon (because it worked twice -sort of- during the stinking hot sunny days last week!!??) and speak to one of the technicians directly to ask them about it and see if i can get any more info.

Thanks for the info folks. Kevin, was the same thing happening to you? i.e when you came to a stop the revs went up and then the burny smell? Iv'e never noticed the smell other than in that scenario but I assume the regen is also occurring as I'm going along. Brett, if you've done 14000miles, how long did your first fill of Adblue last? the manual suggests 7-7500 miles I think per fill?? Are you doing a lot of long journeys? Be interesting to see how this manifests itself with other people's vehicles. I suppose these cycles just kick in a a certain time and the vehicle doesn't know you're just about to pull in to the yard and stop etc. It's just a bit inconvenient... D

Just wanted to add a bit of info which may be of help to anyone purchasing one of the 2017 models with the AdBlue system and this is the only aspect so far of the Hilux which I find annoying..... Soon after getting the Hilux I came to a stop in the yard and as soon as I did the revs jumped up from 800 to about 1200 so I sat there for a bit wondering what the hell was going on; then there came this horrendous smell from the front of the pickup; really stinking. First thought was clutch but it didn't smell clutchy. this happened about 3 times and I was a bit concerned to say the least so I raised it with the dealership, salesman didn't know what it was but after speaking to a technician we discovered it was the AdBlue system kicking in and regenerating/cleaning the diesel particulate filter. Most of the time this will be happening when you're on the go but it has happened to me several times as Ive come to stop; it is very annoying and happened yesterday when i stopped in a car park and had to sit there for over 5 minutes to let it complete it's cycle. I don't know what the risks might be of switching it off mid-cycle but this will be a real issue if stopping for diesel!! I have no doubt it will come back to the fact I do a lot of short journeys and thats why the dpf keeps needing cleaned but there's sweet f.a i can do about that; those are the journeys that I need to do. it will be interesting to see when I get the message to top-up the Adblue tank; it's supposed to last for about 7000 miles. Just thought it might be relevant information for anyone buying one and who gets a surprise when this happens. Even the salesman didn't know about it so I hadn't been warned. I'd also like to hear from anyone else with a new Hilux if this is happening to them?? (I think this is only on 2017 models, not on 2016 but could be wrong)

Thanks Kevin I'll need to look into that, the camera seems to have been working ok but I switched it off recently on the A9 which has loads of 50mph signs just for wagons and it was really getting on my wick! I'm currently waiting for the dealership to recalibrate my radar because it has never worked at all. They have to buy a new piece of kit to do this so I'll be popular down there! Arcto, no not at all you can finance it however you want. I had my trade in, some cash I could put towards it and 45 minutes online got me a 5 year loan from Tesco bank at a better interest rate than Toyota were offering. All,very straightforward. Just as Kevin says the 3rd party (basc) are mentioned but to all intents and purposes you're just buying it as normal from the dealer.

I ended up going for the Invincible which is the second top of the range; managed to get a better trade in for the L200 by doing this although obviously it was dearer to buy. Bit high spec for what I need but as I say I'm delighted with it. There are several organisations which apparently have an arrangement with Toyota for money-off offers on the Hilux. BASC obviously and the NFU and I'm sure there are others but I'm not familiar with them. Some do 15%, some were 17.5%. I'm sure the salesman told me BASC had been 15% and it was put up to 17.5% so they will vary with time; maybe it's back to 15??? For BASC you have to be an existing or previous member, you can't just join and then get the reduction. I would assume it's the same for the others. Best thing you can do is just ask your local garage and see what offers are in place at the time. The way the deal is done you are 'actually' buying the motor from BASC, not the dealership; they just act as an intermediary and get a ££ kickback for the sale. They get a better kickback on the more expensive models I believe. (When I was looking at the Nissan, they didn't have any tie-ups with organisations but the dealership was offering something like 15% off the list price themselves.) If you have any specific queries on the Hilux, just ask, happy to help. D

best i can do

Thanks. Obviously I should have taken more detailed photos/photos underneath etc. Will know the next time. I'd naively assume that any fungus at the bottom of a tree is never a good sign but to help me try to assess this particular situation.......based on what type of fungi that may be or is likely to be; if this 3 foot dbh, 70ft tall Fir was growing 30 feet from your house; what would be your prognosis?? leave it and see how it fares (I can take more photos later this year and it does look generally outwardly healthy at the moment) or is the safest plan just to have it taken down anyway?) I appreciate on the info Iv'e provided I can't expect a definitive answer but just looking for a bit of guidance for now... D

sorry no close ups, didn't think at the time and that's all i have I'm afraid...

Just to add my tuppence-worth on the Hilux. Only had it 5 weeks but first impressions are it's the best vehicle I've had. Traded in a 2 year old L200 which was the most uncomfortable vehicle I've ever been in and I'm convinced contributed greatly to a slipped disc. Hilux is in a different class altogether. Comfort is exceptionally good; I'm surprised at comments on a cramped cab. I'm not a 'small' by any means and I think it's pretty roomy, in fact I've had issues with previous vehicles because of a long back; I tend to be looking out of the very top of the windscreen; when I test-drove the new Navara I simply couldn't live with it because of that tinted strip across the top of the screen. The hilux is the first vehicle I've had for long enough where I'm actually looking out the middle of the windscreen. I just feel everything about it seems to be 'quality' and well put together. So far averaging 30.5mpg and thats a lot of short journeys and towing in there too; she's still tight so I'm hoping that will go up a bit. Despite 'only' having 150hp it tows better than the L200 which had 165 I think? However they've tweaked the engine they've done a good job. And thats towing in normal mode, not using the power button. The turning circle is poorer than the L200 (the only thing that is) but I believe the L200 was best in class at that anyway? Only glitch Ive had is the 'radar' yes the radar isn't working properly!:001_rolleyes:It has a system to avoid collisions with pedestrians and vehicles using a radar behind the badge. Dealer needs to order up new bit of kit to re-calibrate so just waiting for that. all in all i have to say it's a great machine (fingers crossed) and I'd thoroughly recommend looking at them if you're in the market for a new pickup. I'd ruled them out on price until I found out about the 17.5% money off deals so that was a huge help.