stewie

It was.

Just what I said. With more words.

 

 

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spot on lol

If you were to make a list of what skills, initiative and level of conscientiousness a good worker had, then added to that list the additional factors related to each job, be it grounding or climbing, there would inevitably be some crossover of skills between both.

 

An inexperienced or poor groundsman can very quickly make a climbers life a nightmare, and vice versa. What makes both of them value for money is conscientious, hard working, treeworkers with good common sense and an ability to work as part of a team.

 

A climber that can drop a poplar into a postage stamp sized garden whilst; direct the roping procedures, ensure that brash doesn't just rain down in any old fashion and makes a ground crews job easier, communicates effectively and then when he gets down and QUICKLY puts away their climbing gear, assists in the successful completion of the days work, including raking, chipping, loading the vans, closing down the site and filling up the chipper when you get back to the yard with red diesel, is worth their weight in gold.

 

A groundsman that sets up a job site safety equipment in alignment with the risk assessment and traffic management, then proceeds to set up the ladders and fills up the saw for the climber whilst giving it the once over for safety checks and chain sharpness, then proceeds to communicate effectively with the climber, the client and other team members, whilst managing public safety, keeps the climbers ropes clear of rubbish, highlights to the climber any potential issues with ropes, or the running of the job, lowers, processes, drags and chips brash until its break or is safe to leave for a minute or until job completion, then performs the same site closure tasks as mentioned in climber role, and also at the yard is also worth their weight in gold.

 

All of the above would be beneficial if at the same time a sense of humour and good personality were present to make the day go by a little quicker.

 

If Carlsberg made tree crews that team would be mine and bought a pint, by me, at the end of the day.

 

Some groundies are mustard, as are climbers, learn your trade, do a few days/weeks/months with said company, then say, 'Do you think you have had a good opportunity to assess my capabilities as a treeworker? Over the longer period he certainly will be able to ascertain your value to him persoanally within his business setup and may adapt pay accordingly. Good luck, and remember, its a vocation hehehe

Excellent reply mate......

Climber has gravity on his side

That went over my head.

Haven't tried but I reckon I don't bounce!

I'll say it in simple terms then......climber climbs tree and sends it all down to the ground.....groundie then cuts it up, drags the brash and carrys the logs to the truck......who's had the hardest day?? Why is one worth more than the other??

And just to clarify im not on about someone you get in just to drag brash and sweep up the saw dust!

Seriously. Wtf

Groundsman- ppe and chainsaw

 

Climber- ppe chainsaw(s) climbing gear rigging gear loler every 6 months

IMO more stress, more responsibility and more often than not more dangerous.

Comparing MOST climbers to MOST groundsmen I KNOW the climbers are more skilled and hold more tickets.

 

Take it your a groundsman.........

As most climbers I know would be pi$ right off if they were on the same ££ as Groundy.

Obviously there some ace grounds out there that command top money. But there are also top climber who will always earn more than a top Groundy.

Have I covered my back enough lol !

JMO mate.......If a climber is a competent climber then he should be as comfy up the tree as the groundie is on the ground......a climber has gravity on his side, a groundie don't and still has to clear the brash/logs that the climber sends down so a hell of a lot more graft involved....a groundie has less stress/responsibility??? Sorry can't agree on that either!! Imo a groundie controls half the show from the ground while a climber controls the other half in the tree.....its a 50/50 effort and i see no reason why one deserves more than the other....

FYI no im not a groundie, im a self employed contractor and as it happens price up quite a lot of tree work.....the climber I use gets £125 a day and so does the groundie.....They both bring there own saws, PPE etc and for £250 a day between them i have piece of mind that BOTH tasks are carried out correctly, safely and in good time.....again JMO.....

i spend most of my days wanting to sack him doesn't mean i'm going to or want to 90% of people would of a long time ago fair is fair

Maybe your the problem?

I can't see why a groundie should be on any less than a climber tbh

....pm sent!!

Are you charging £150 a load of chip or buying it for £150? Because there's a tip site in Lichfield that takes it for free.

Charging!!.....like I said I'm just putting it out there that I'm starting up with this so just after advice! Yes you might be able to tip it for free but getting rid of 14 tonne off site in 20 mins is the service im offering and that my friend is not....

That's not good mate!!

Can't see that happening here tho.....the guy putting me through only brought the other lorry as he is turning work down as can't physically do it on his own!!

After only 1 pm off here tho it don't look like we will be adding arb waste to the list......

It's probably been said but "it's let the light in" is a classic

When anyone asks me what type of tree it is I always say "a wooden one"......

When loading the truck up after working on the job in full view of the whole street for two days and someone comes over and asks "do you cut trees down"

"Was it meant to land in the garage"

More than likely travellers who are working in the area, do a load of shite jobs, steal loads of equipment and rip off as many OAPs as possible then leave the area with your name/business tarnished???

Friend of mine doesn't need a dog, strange blokes come up to him and offer to sell him drugs wherever he goes. It must be the dreads, he looks the sort.

Sod that, I wouldn't do that for any amount of money!!

 

I wonder how much he got for doing that!?

that's it mate! Crazy really but fair play to him he even went up after a few pints....

says in that one he got £4500!! Probably decent money back then but put 4 zeros on it and you still wouldn't get me up there lol

I've said on here a few times that I'm no climber and i fully respect you lads that get up them trees day in day BUT how many of you could do this with using the same equipment......

I honestly felt giddy just watching it..... no harness, no flipline, no helmet, no spikes, no LOLER tested main line just a wooden seat on a rope.....

He had balls as hard as the cast iron his steam engine was made of!!!

Yeah they are useful tools mate.....

that job was a taxi that got left in a backyard and then the owner built a shed infront of the gates.....doh!!!

A rubbish clearance job back in the day when it was £40 a load at the tip so used to get as much on as possible.....

Double decker transit......

Cheers mate never thought off biffa ill give them a try!!

Yeah I no most will already have homes for logs/chip just thought if they needed a lot moving quickly this lorry might be of use?? I know bosworth to and like you say them and a few others only move dirt/hardcore not really seen many with green waste on??

I'll get the word out and see what happens! !

Ive got my HGV medical in the morning and when that is out the way I'll hopefully have this lorry on the road around x-mas time.....

a mate of mine has this and another one so ill be working for him but he has also said to me I can find my own work so thought I'd ask on here of it would be of use to anyone around burton/derby area and what sort of prices would be competitive and reasonable???

The tip we use charges around £45 a load on brash so I was thinking around £200 a load of brash....logs we would store, chop up and sell so was thinking £120 a load on them and £150 a load on woodchip as that would have a sell on value to....does that sound fair to you lads?? I've worked it out on the fact you would get nearly an 8yd and a 5yd skip worth of waste on this lorry as it can carry 14 tonne!!

Be honest with me as that's why I asked.....cheers

Was just a dirty fuel filter.....

Right been playing with it today and gave up!!! This is as far as I could get it

can anyone see whats going wrong before I take it in to the service shop?? With the fall coming im going to need it running asap as will have alot of work for it then!!

Thanks in advance.......

Seen one yesterday and they look good!! I'll be getting one for a job next week so will let you no mate....