Squaredy

16 hours ago, Justme said:

What is the going rate for a harvester & forwarder per ton?

Level site with good access mostly softwood but some immature hardwoods. Roughly 10 acres clear fell.

North Wales area.

I suggest contacting Coed Cymru who give advice on this sort of thing to landowners.  If as is stated above it is too small for harvester and forwarder then I guess you need a small scale forester who will hand fell and winch or skid the logs.  I am guessing it will be 700 to 1000 tons of logs, so I guess that is a big job for hand cutting?

But hey - I am not a forester.  Speak to Coed Cymru and I am sure they will give you some contacts.  Sorry, the people I know who could advise you are all South Wales.  

30 minutes ago, s o c said:

Thanks Squaredy.

Pity if they go to scrap, it would be nice to see even some of them brought back into service.

Great reply btw .👍

Just a thought - they might be suitable for export.  Some less developed countries might appreciate hefty old fashioned quality and have endless cheap labour to install and set up. 

But you would need a contact who knows about how to do this sort of thing.  I wouldn't fancy trying to arrange it.  So easy to get taken for a ride and get it all prepped for shipment and then be let down.

9 hours ago, s o c said:

these saws belonged to a neighbour of mine who passed away recently.

his brother has asked me if would know anybody who might be interested in them.

Saws are in west of Ireland 

 

 

 

 

 

Sadly I think a local scrap man is probably the best way to get a little bit of value from that machinery.  I doubt they are old enough to be of interest to a museum, but they are pretty much obsolete in a commercial sense.  Their modern equivalent would be so much easier to use and set up that the only buyer for that type of kit I would say will be an enthusiast who wants it for what it is.  Just removing servicing and installing that bandsaw will cost as much as a new machine, and then be so much more difficult to use.

 The large circular saw is a Robinson by the looks of it - I have a similar one in perfect working order which I may want to dispose of and I know I will struggle to sell, so even mine may go for scrap.

 It is a shame as the quality of those machines is fantastic; but like a glorious steam engine times have moved on.  Unlike a steam engine there are not so many museums that might be interested in that type of kit.

1 hour ago, waterbuoy said:

Am I missing something, or does the revised NI/Windsor deal actually show a degree of pragmatism and common sense?:

 

Northern Ireland Brexit deal: At-a-glance

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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What does the new Windsor Framework agreement between the UK and the EU include?

 

If it contains either of those qualities then at least one of the various political groups on the island of Ireland will soon reject it.

12 hours ago, Mr. Ed said:

Forgive the crudeness of my work here (she’s different and better) but we love rotten alder - used some for a floor and my missus turned a lovely bowl. 
 

 

 

Wow, what a bowl.  I am sure the flooring looks great - I love spalted alder.  Maybe it needs a more general photo to show the effect.

In response to durability questions - don't bother with alder for outdoor projects - despite the general belief that it is durable underwater.  Lots of timbers are durable underwater - deep in mud there may be no oxygen.

Indoors though it is great.  Not hard though, so bathroom floor it is ideal for - or bedroom.  But not a hall or kitchen or dance floor!

32 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

It depends on what kind of look you want. The cedar shingles i have used on sheds and outbuildings in the UK where always imported and always Thuja, very uniform, thin, and in my opinion, pretty dull.

You see fantastic shingled buildings around me, more so in the Dordogne, usually Sweet chestnut and all cleft/hand finished with tapers and drip line.

There is a local artisan that restores the roofs of historic buildings offering 50 years on Sweet chestnut shingles, that’s double the life of the clay Roman tiles more commonly used here.

I have seen sweet chestnut shakes and I agree they are awesome.  I guess this is a very expensive option as they are hand produced.  

7 hours ago, Macpherson said:

 

Aye, apologies for not addressing the question. It would seem from a quick search that most of the shingles available are a bi-product of the Canadian BC  lumber industry, although I did find this company advertising 'home grown' in the UK shingles.

 

Home-Grown Cedar Shingles Roofing

WWW.RUBY-GROUP.CO.UK

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Length 300mm Width 175mm Thickness 12mm Coverage 1.2sqm (per pack of 50) Installation & Calculator Guide Click here Timber Home-grown cedar Delivery 3-5 Working...

 

Very interesting, and thank you.  They really do look like uk grown don’t they.  
 

Sadly I must confess I would probably use imported shingles on the grounds that they would most likely last many times longer.  Still, nice to see someone does make them.

58 minutes ago, slack ma girdle said:

Ere ya go

Western Red Cedar Shingles, Shakes, Ridge Caps | UK Certigrade Supplier | Silva Timber

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Cedar shingles are renowned for their insulation qualities, dimensional stability & natural resistance to the elements. Silva...

 

Cedar Shingles from Vincent Timber

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Cedar Shingles Cladding and Cedar Shingles Shakes supplied nationwide by Vincent Timber.

 

Thank you Mr Girdle.  I believe that again these are made in the USA and/or Canada.  Unless you know otherwise? 

The customer was trying to source UK made shingles.  It is quite a common request these days to have locally sourced materials - especially when there is grant money going into the mix of a new build.

7 hours ago, Macpherson said:

 

Hi,  my village on the West coast of the Highlands was originally a forestry village with typical forestry type houses which are / were roofed with Cedar shingles.

 

As a friend and neighbour of mine has such a roof { maybe 60 ish years old } I can say that the shingles available today and back then are sawn as opposed to traditionally cleft.. the basic forestry house back in the day was , believe it or not, a 2x2" kit clad with Larch so I'd expect that the very light roof would have been a necessity of this skimpy design.

 

With a quick search  you'll find that shingles are readily available.. but regardless of that perhaps you might enjoy watching this video of the traditional craft, cheers.

 

 

Thank you for that, and I will watch the video.  My father also lived in an ex forestry house until he died two years ago.  This was a substantial brick house but roofed with cedar shingles, produced the other side of the Atlantic. What I was asking was whether there are any shingle manufacturers in the UK.

I have been asked if I can produce cedar shingles.  I can’t and have no wish to try but I wondered if anyone in the UK does make cedar shingles commercially.  I have never heard of a UK manufacturer; but do any of you arbtalkers know better?

Had this leaflet through my door today.  I love the concept of a cooling off period on tree work.  I am almost tempted to ask them to trim the acer in my front garden which does need an hour or two with the secateurs.  Then I can phone them after a week and say I have changed my mind.

Don't forget the pancakes on Jif Lemon day...

41 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

I have, I’m not sure calling the people of the area scum is the way to sort the problems out.

Just watched the video, and I agree he is a bit of a pillock.  But to be fair to him he is trying to do practical things to make the streets safer.  More police, CCTV, etc.  Actually it all looks rather tame compared to some parts of my home town...

OK, we all know the real solution is much more deep rooted, and as has already been said in this thread is parenting.  And I would suggest peer pressure, lack of discipline in schools, etc, etc.  But let's be honest: no politician of any colour has got a clue how to fix the real problems.

55 minutes ago, monkeybusiness said:

Everyone needs yew in their lives!!!

Yew is beautiful...

1 hour ago, trigger_andy said:

Damn. 😳

 

 

Is there a good reason you have to have red cedar?

1 hour ago, trigger_andy said:

Anyone know where to source Cedar saw logs? Im asking my local Timber Merchant but thought I’d ask here too. 

They are in very short supply.  I had two loads at the end of last year from Euroforest.  They cost me £160 per ton delivered.  That is the most I have ever paid for any logs - even good oak I last paid £130 for.

26 minutes ago, Stere said:

Just looked at badminton estate on google maps  plenty of woods with  some  very long tree avenues & parkland landscaping over many  acres.

 

 

52,000 acres apparently.  Plus hundreds of other properties in wales and Somerset of course.  Quite a lot of trees I guess!

1 hour ago, Stere said:

Thats a lot of yew I thought it was rare -  as I assumed  that you don't get many  acres  of yew woods about  often its individual  trees?

 

Do you know were it came from?

 

 

Maybe some large estates with planted   yew avenues etc?

 

 

 

Here is a pic I found of some of the sawlogs I was offered.  This is the batch that failed to sell.  I assume it did eventually find a buyer.

Funnily enough I found an email from a man offering me a yew tree in 2017 who lives in Washington state.  I told him I would only consider buying if he could deliver to me.  I didn't hear back...

8 minutes ago, Stere said:

Thats a lot of yew I thought it was rare -  as I assumed  that you don't get many  acres  of yew woods about  often its individual  trees?

 

Do you know were it came from?

 

 

Maybe some large estates with planted   yew avenues etc?

 

 

 

I just checked and found the emails - it was badminton estate and Wooten Basset.  I would have considered buying them but I generally find yew sells very slowly, and I have plenty of logs still waiting to be milled.  I don’t like milling them much due to the toxic dust.

1 hour ago, Conor Wright said:

Knock em, bring them home and mill them/cut turning blanks, stack n strap them and forget it for a year or two. It'll be worth well over 1k per cubic meter.

Unplaned yew here is about €2k per cube. Even if you sell half you're on a winner. 

Talking firewood prices, small, crappy, forked and chalara infected ash I helped knock late last year sold at €110 per ton roadside. 

Dirty oversize stuff is getting 50-60 quid alright because a lot of processors can't take it so there's less competition for it as a result.

Personally if I got decent yew there's no way I'd take "common wood" tonnage prices for it. 

If it was viable for you to debark them I'd consider importing a load. There's always someone asking for yew and I never have any.

 

It is not as rare as you might think.  I was offered two lots of about one hundred and twenty tons of good quality yew milling logs about three years ago.  They included quite a few big stems and as far as I know they failed to sell.  Price was about £100 per ton.

 As has been said it is all about having a buyer, and in the UK they are a bit thin on the ground.

3 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Is that right? I’ve milled a few bits but it’s more boring than Beech. I’ve not advertised it right enough. It’s just drying. 
 

Talking of Beech. 😁

Yes; I don’t get a lot of people asking for birch, but show the customer a dry board sanded or planed and they sell well.

4 minutes ago, trigger_andy said:

Maxed out the Mill with a big Birch. Surprisingly there was no rot at all. The mill worked harder with it than Oak. Some cracking colours too. 
 

Pics really don’t do it justice. Looks insipid and half rotten. 

Lovely!  I have no idea why more birch logs don’t get offered for milling.  On the occasions I get birch logs the timber always sells quickly once dry.

40 minutes ago, monkeybusiness said:

That’s firewood money!

Actually sorry, that is assuming they are forest grown.  If they are from a park or garden then halve that as they may be full of nails etc.

35 minutes ago, monkeybusiness said:

That’s firewood money!

£100 to £133 per ton for firewood logs? Unless a veneer producer wants them that is what they are worth.  

21 minutes ago, monkeybusiness said:

No (but needs to be around the price of a helicopter with leather seats and fold out wheels like Airwolf) and no - I didn’t even take pics today. The owner might keep the timber and use it himself but a decent buyer would probably sway him to sell. 
5 decent sized straight single-stemmed ‘maiden’ yews, DBH of the biggest approx 30’’ (possibly a bit more), they are 50-60 feet tall. There is a lot of nice useable timber in them. We will be craning them out so aren’t restricted on size of lumps, and they won’t get beaten up during removal. I’m toying with doing the job for the timber (which would be a first for me, and it’s not because I need the work, I’m just trying to work out if that’s the most profitable route for this job). 

Sounds like it could be most of a lorry load - maybe fifteen tons or more anyway.  Probably worth around £1500 to £2000 as sawlogs to the right person.  Of course it is worth a lot more if milled, but only if that person knows how to dry and sell the timber.