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  1. On 14/11/2022 at 19:18, Sam Davison said:


    I see what your saying, but I’m not sure that is always the case in reality. Besides, if you have a fleet of saws etc that are maintained and running well, your not going to be best pleased if you switch for a ‘trial’ and end up with repairs to make. Whatever the reason folks should at least be aware of that before changing is all I’m saying. As I said, it was only one saw for me and I have no need/intention of changing from pump fuel so it wasn’t really an issue, but if you had it happen to multiple machines you would have to factor the repair costs in at least.  

     

    Hi Sam,

     

    If you have a fleet of well maintained machines, you should have no issues in switching to Aspen fuel for the trial and switching back to pump fuel at the end should you so wish. As part of the trial, we will discuss any possible issues with the company involved beforehand and also be available to discuss any issues that might occur during the trial in conjunction with their local stockist/repair shop.

     

    Fully understand your concern but the chances of a machine not running correctly after switching to alkylate fuel from pump fuel is so low that it shouldn't be a concern for any business looking to take part in the trial.

     

     

     

     

  2. On 01/11/2022 at 06:10, Mick Dempsey said:

    It’s an odd one.

     

    Whats stopping the unscrupulous from using hundreds of pounds worth of Aspen for three months, then saying it’s not for them, getting a good deal of their money back having 

    A. Never intended to change over.

    B. Used it for years anyway.

     

    I suppose there are some filtering processes in place.

     

    We have considered this and have put filtering processes in place to try to minimise people trying to take advantage. It is unlikely that any business who is currently using Aspen fuel is also going to be the type of business to want to take advantage of our offer.

     

    At the end of the day, if it does become a problem, the promotion will have to stop which will be a shame.

     

    only time will tell but I do think there are more good people in this industry then bad and scamming the trial isn't exactly a means to get rich quick...

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  3. On 02/11/2022 at 20:58, Sam Davison said:

    Another thing that may be helpful to bear in mind is that it can be more complicated than simply trying Aspen for a few months then switching back, especially if your saws have been running pump petrol for a while. We have always used super unleaded and Stihl Ulta oil, don’t know if it’s related or not but we don’t have many engine related issues so we stick with it. A while back we leant a saw out to a friend who put a tank of Aspen through it, the saw wouldn’t run properly after that which resulted in a strip down of the engine by Spud. Apparently something to do with the seals? Anyway, not to say there’s anything wrong with Aspen, just that switching between the two can cause some issues. 

     

    Whilst we generally recommend that people should stick to one type of fuel and not swap between the 2, there should never be any issues swapping back to regular fuel after using Aspen as alkylate fuel will not harm the seals or rubber parts in the same way as regular unleaded will.

     

    if a machine runs badly on alkylate after running pump fuel, its generally a sign that a rubber component or a gasket has failed within the carburettor. Switching back to pump fuel will cause these parts to swell again and the machines will continue to run but it should be seen as a sign that those parts are close to failing anyway.

     

    This is part of the reason why we recommend that a business should trial Aspen for 3 months as it will give them time to have any machines sorted that do play up.

     

    It should be noted that whilst problems can arise when switching to alkylate fuels, it is pretty uncommon and shouldn't be considered a worry when starting a trial. You only here of the bad stories and none of the good ones and we know from experience that it is rare that issues should arise.

     

    This would all be covered during the discussion stage when a business signs up to take part in the trial :) 

     

     

  4. On 31/10/2022 at 22:04, Bolt said:


    I read this as ‘to come to terms with’ (as in you ‘get over’ being made redundant, or you ‘get over’ being cheated on by a so called lover), rather than to make the problem magically not exist any more.

     

    Generally, you ‘get over’ something once it just doesn’t seem like as big a deal as your other problems.

     

    I can’t think of the last time I lay awake at night,  trying to come to terms with all the money I have spent on Aspen.

    Thank you @Bolt you have hit the nail on the head with all of your replies to @pleasant  I couldn’t have put it better myself 🙏👏
     

     

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  5. On 31/10/2022 at 17:16, Retired Climber said:

    I've always found Aspen's presence on this forum to be a little lacking. I'd be very interested to know who posts on their behalf on here. The replies always seem a bit too 'corporate' to be genuine, but a bit too amateurish to be written by the marketing department. It's a pretty good demonstration of how not to use social media. 

    It's a good product; I use it myself, However. I can't imagine anyone is going to be persuaded to give it a try based on the original post in this thread. I realise I'm probably not going to get a genuine reply to this query, but I'd love to chat to someone about it, and find out why they post in this style. 

    Hello retired climber

     

    sorry about the slow reply, it’s been a busy couple of weeks of shows for us and we are only a small team. I have also realised that my notifications weren’t turned on so I did not realise how many replies we had got on this post since the start. My bad.

     

    anyway, my name is Axel and I guess I am the one to blame for the infrequent posts on this forum for the last 6 years (Others have posted in the past). I tend not to post much on here anymore as I find that our customers are pretty quick to answer any questions that people post up about our Products.
     

    I’m not the best at writing but I find that writing something is always better than doing nothing and it isn’t easy getting the balance right when it comes to writing on forums especially when anonymous users can be so quick to criticise. 
     

    Regardless of my writing style, this is a fantastic offer which we have received a really good response too from the recent shows we have attended. 
     

    If anyone wants to talk about this offer or anything else aspen related. I can be contacted on either of the following:

     

    [email protected]

    01929 551557 (ext 2, then ask for me)

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  6. On 28/10/2022 at 14:31, pleasant said:

    Interesting, but how does it 'get over the cost barrier' ?

     

    From years of experience in talking to professional users about the benefits of Aspen fuel, it is very clear that most businesses do not understand the actual cost impact of switching to using our fuel. They like the idea of using Aspen but cant understand how the benefits will outweigh the cost increase and end up never trying it. Business users who have made the switch however, see it as an essential part of their business which is justifiable for many reasons. 

     

    Whilst this trial doesn't aim to make the fuel any cheaper than it already is, it is designed to offer newcomers to the product, a chance to try it and see for themselves without any worry of any additional cost to their business should they decide it is not for them.

     

    in other words, we don't believe that there is a cost barrier and this trial is meant to prove this.

     

    Does that help answer your question?

  7. Hello Arbtalkers!

     

    It has been a while since we posted anything on here but we have just launched an incredible promotion for businesses in the Arb sector which I wanted to share.

     

    Do you operate or work for a business that still uses regular pump fuel in your chainsaws? Perhaps you have considered using Aspen alkylate petrol but been put off from trying due to the increase in cost? Well this promotion is aimed at YOU!

     

    We want to help companies get over the cost barrier and to see how Aspen fuel can benefit their business which is why we have come up with a promotion which lets you try Aspen fuel with a money back guarantee if after the trial, you wish to switch back to pump fuel. 

     

    Sounds too good to be true? you might be right but this is how confident we are that by trying Aspen fuel for 3 months in your business, you will never want to go back to pump fuel!

     

    for more information and for a link to sign up to more information about the promotion please use the below link.

     

    Any questions, please ask away :)

     

     

    ASPENFUEL.CO.UK

    Trial Aspen fuel and see the benefits for your business with our risk-free money-back guarantee.
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  8. Something doesn't add up here. The fuel and oil in Aspen 2 will not separate even when left for many years and nor would it attract moisture like regular fuel.

     

    I suggest your brother in law stops using the fuel which may have become contaminated.

     

    BR
    Axel

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  9. 15 hours ago, echoechoecho said:

     

    My flexible Aspen spout has split. Nowhere local sells replacements and I begrudge spending £5-7 postage on a £4 spout from an online shop.

     

    Do spouts made by any other manufacturers fit the 5 litre Aspen cans?

     

    All Aspen dealers should have these and if they are out of stock they can order them in for you.

     

    If its less than a year old however, PM me your address and i will post you out a replacement FOC

     

     

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  10. Hey guys, just thought it would be worth mentioning that we have bulk buying options and larger containers available which do bring down the cost of Aspen fuel for commercial users substantially.

     

    you can find latest pricing and more information on 

    ASPENFUEL.CO.UK

    Aspen Fuel is a leading UK distributor of Aspen Products, we offer free delivery within two working days for bulk orders...

     

     

     

  11. Great to see so many people switching over to alkylate! I'm sure all the aspen users are particularly smug this week not having to wait in line at the petrol stations 😎

     

    just a note to people thinking about buying aspen commercially. its worth checking out our page regarding buying in bulk. this will get you the best price and means you can have the fuel delivered directly to your site making it even less hassle 

     

    ASPENFUEL.CO.UK

    Aspen Fuel is a leading UK distributor of Aspen Products, we offer free delivery within two working days for bulk orders and fuel storage.

     

    Any questions feel free to give us a call on 01929 551557 (ext 2) for any advice on switching your business to Aspen 

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  12. On 03/03/2021 at 14:46, Decro said:

    Pleasant surprise this morning.

    Dealer phoned in response to my email sent yesterday. They have spoken to Efco who are sending a replacement saw due to original and on-going problems. Both the dealer and Efco suspect the problems are due to using Aspen and recommend using fresh pump fuel mix with fuel stabiliser. 

    I must have just been unlucky with the unhelpful guy at the dealers previously because I can't fault their response this time so all credit to Cheltenham Mowers and the Efco UK.

    Thanks again for all the replies.

    Blaming Aspen for the running problems whilst replacing the machine as faulty seems strange to me. Aspens performance characteristics really aren't so different to normal fuel in regards to how the fuel performs inside the machine (especially if its never been used on normal pump fuel). Would be great to hear how the new saw runs if you get a chance to try it on Aspen.

     

     

     

     

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  13. Apart from the storage issues most people are already aware off, the biggest difference in regards to performance will be that non auto adjusting (fuel mixture) machinery will run lean on E10 unless they are adjusted to suit E10 fuel which has a higher oxygen level than E5. Running lean will decrease machinery life especially on 2-stroke equipment.

     

    With the above in mind, once E10 is introduced at the forecourts I would recommend using super unleaded if you cant justify switching to Alkylate fuel for your business. 

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  14. Both regular petrol and Aspen will slowly evaporate in most sealed plastic containers (so your not going mad!)

     

    if you left a full can of Aspen in your shed for 5 years, you could lose 1 litre of fuel to evaporation (if not kept cool) but the fuel left would still work fine (wont go stale like regular petrol)

     

    fuel will also evaporate faster inside machinery as the tanks and carburetor vent to the atmosphere.

     

    I would be very surprised however if you think you are losing more fuel to evaporation than you are to burning it in your machines but maybe you are using your chainsaw extremely little.

     

    Putting your fuel in a sealed steel container would slow down the rate of evaporation and keeping it in a cooler place will also help reduce evaporation. In reality however, the 5L Aspen can is more than suitable and so would a stihl combican (although dont expect it to reduce evaporation)

     

    Whilst its a bummer to lose fuel to evaporation, it would suck a lot more to have to throw away stale fuel or to pay for carburetor repairs caused by stale fuel

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  15. 15 hours ago, miker said:

    Right, i have drained the aspen out of the blower, refilled with petrol and stihl 2 stroke oil ( i have used this for years with no problems ) i have tuned carb and is now running well

    Not blaming the aspen in any way, i was just curios as to weather i had a bad batch

    I  will run a few tanks through and then go back to aspen to see what happens

    I  will update soon

    Hi Miker,

     

    if the machine was brand new out of the box, having never seen any regular petrol before running aspen, there is a chance that there could have been waxy residue inside the carburettor which was causing running issues. Aspen or (or any other alkylate fuel) wont be able to clear this due to the lack of aromatic hydrocarbons. pump petrol will work like a solvent to remove this wax very quickly. if this was the issue, now that you have run it on petrol, it should work on Aspen. look forward to hearing your findings, as i have already mentioned, please feel free to give me a call if you are still having issues (i have sent you my direct number by pm)

     

    to people who havent yet made the switch to alkylate fuels, it may seem like making the switch can cause a lot of machinery problems but it is in fact quite rare that this happens and once the machines are up and running on aspen (which usually doesn't even require a retune) you will quickly find your machines running better than before.

     

    It is also worth noting that the main reason that alkylate fuels behave slightly differently to regular petrol (in regards to machinery issues when switching from one to the other) is that alkylate fuels do not contain the harmful components which cause cancer, nausea, nerve damage as well as irritating your eyes and throat damage when breathed in by the operator during operation.

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  16. 12 hours ago, miker said:

    Following on from husky hedge cutters not running, now a brand new husky blower will not run on aspen.

     

    HAVE I GOT A DODGY CAN OF ASPEN ????

    Hi Miker, this would be extremely unlikely  but if you give us a call we can help you get to the bottom of it (you will get straight through to someone who can help). 01929 551557 (ext 2)

     

    We have test equipment to analyse the fuel alongside machines which it can be tested in. In over 10 years of working with Aspen and over 7million litres sold in the UK, I can hand on heart say we have never had a "dodgy" can.

     

     

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  17. 17 hours ago, adw said:

    Lets hope he doesnt get any of that extremely potent fuel then! Priceless.

    Whats with the hate adw? i have noticed lots of negativity from yourself on lots of posts in regards to Aspen.

     

    It is a well known fact that pump fuels contain different components in various quantities. they are blended to be as cheap as possible whilst simply meeting a certain set of standards to allow them to be sold at forecourts. Because of this, there is going to be a variance in the effects that these fuels have on carburetor parts.  This is what I meant when I used the word "potent". Hope, that clears things up 🙂

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  18. On 25/01/2021 at 21:50, miker said:

    done 2 hours work

    Hi Mike,

     

    Unless you have some extremely potent pump fuel in your area it is very unlikely that 2 hours use on petrol would have been enough to cause damage to the diaphragm inside the carburetor to cause running problems on Aspen when making the switch. As others have already suggested, it sounds like it might be a good option to ask your local dealer who you purchased the machine from to take a look at it.

     

    another thought however, you say its only seen 2 hours work but how long has the machine been left with pump fuel in the tank?

     

    Feel free to give us a call if you have any technical questions regarding to Aspen fuel

     

    01929 551557 (option 2)

     

    Axel

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  19. 2 hours ago, Paddy1000111 said:

    Out of interest, although your oil is a closely guarded secret do you have any specs or photos from your testing? Stihl ran tests with BR600 blowers to compare oils which showed deposits and wear after 500 hours of continual static use. I'm sure that your oil is up there with the HP Ultra and Amsoil (which surprised me at 100:1 although the top of the piston was crusty) but it's nice to see what you got if you have it available?

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    Hi Paddy,

     

    The stihl 4-mix engines as used in the blowers in the tests above are really fussy when it comes to choosing the right oil. the majority of FD will coke the valves up very quickly which is one of the biggest reasons for failure in this engine. this is why stihl recommend that the ultra oil should be used in 4-mix machines and Aspen changed its oil formula when this engine was released and carried out 1000s of hours of field testing to make sure it was the best possible for all machines.

     

    i will try to get hold of the piston tests from these as they would be a direct comparison to your chart above, you will find however that they look just like the picture of the piston ran on stihl ultra oil.

     

    in the meantime, here is a picture from a stihl chainsaw with over 300 hours run time. If you run Aspen in your machines in the future. take a look inside when you eventually need to replace it and you will see the same :) 

     

     

    aspen chainsaw piston.PNG

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  20. 13 hours ago, Acerforestry said:

    Can we just clarify something here. I've used Aspen to a degree in forestry saws over the past few months and I'd love to say it has made my lungs and cough better, but frankly with brash fires constantly going (green wood smoke proven to be carcinogenic), there isn't any noticeable difference. I do care about my health by the way, but can't justify the extra daily cost on top of all other consumables - the margins in chestnut cutting are just too low. I also can't store pallets of the stuff where I am, so slighly stuffed in that respect.

    Is it primarily supposed to be the ethanol that is the most damaging in the emissions, or other chemicals; I'm wondering to what degree the higher octane  / ethanol free pump fuel may at least be some improvement on what is inhaled? Maybe I just need a job shift before I keel over.

    the addition of ethanol in petrol is more damaging to the machinery than to your health. compared to the other chemicals in petrol, Ethanol is very kind in comparison. Vodka is essentially ethanol cut with water to put it into context (this also gives you a great understanding of how well water mixes with ethanol)

     

    Benzene (carcinogenic) exposure is the biggest problem with using regular petrol compared to Aspen fuel when looking at the health benefits. a chainsaw will emit roughly 108 times less benzene when running on Aspen. Aspen is also free from aromatic hydrocarbons (solvents) which is why many people notice headaches reduce when making the switch. 

     

    off course, each person experiences these effects differently and most people aren't working around fires who use our products (i dont know how the exposure of carcinogenic substances compares between chainsaw emissions and burning wood but it would be interesting to find out!)

     

    There is very little difference between the different grades of pump fuel when it comes to harmful components, after all - they are all trying to meet the same standards whilst trying to do it as cheaply as possible. you certainly wouldn't notice any difference to your health choosing one over the other.

     

    if you cant store large quantities of fuel, perhaps speak to your local dealer about the 25L sizes

     

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  21. 15 hours ago, Paddy1000111 said:

    I've just never trusted "unbranded" "unknown" pre-mix oils in ready to go fuel. Mostly because in the past the pre-mix stuff was garbage made for home-owners who would have a weedwacker that they would use once a year to find it didn't start. I know Aspen is nothing of the sort but I know what I am getting when I mix it myself 

    Hi Paddy,

     

    The oil in Aspen 2 is a close kept secret as it is one of the reasons why the product is so good and why we can claim it to be "better for machines".

     

    Aspen has carried out 1000s of hours of lab testing to ensure that Aspen 2 users can be assured they are giving their machines the best possible fuel/oil mix. Great oil + alkylate mix (mixed at the correct ratio) = happy machinery.

     

    The stihl ultra oil is the closest comparable oil on the market and is also a fantastic oil for commercially used 2-stroke equipment.

  22. I believe most of the questions have already been answered for the OP's question and there is some great feedback from Aspen users too!

     

    One thing that sticks out to me however from reading some of the comments (from people who aren't using Aspen) is that it seems common to think that Aspen is much more expensive to use commercially than it really is. 

     

    pump fuel mixed with good quality 2 stroke oil (based on cheapest 5L price found online) = £1.25+VAT (requires collection + mixing)

    Aspen 2 pallet price (270 litres) = £2.56 + vat (including delivery to your workplace, ready mixed)

     

    Yes its twice the cost of mixing your own fuel but its not 3 or 4 times the cost as suggested by some one in the above comments and this is a big difference.

     

    For anyone looking at using Aspen commercially, I recommend you take a look at our buying in bulk section of our website where you can view pricing in the different sized containers.

     

    ASPENFUEL.CO.UK

    Aspen Fuel is a leading UK distributor of Aspen Products, we offer free delivery within two working days for bulk orders and fuel storage.

      

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  23. On 13/09/2020 at 21:35, doobin said:

    I buy 100 litres of petrol and mix it cause I don’t like queuing either but I’m not spending four times as much on aspen

    FYI, depending on the type of 2-stroke oil you purchase Aspen is no more than twice the cost of standard pump mix when buying in bulk for your business.

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  24. On 11/07/2020 at 10:04, Wolfie said:

     

    About a year ago I switched from using Stihl Super 2 stroke oil to Stihl Ultra (always mixed with premium petrol).

    In that year I’ve have 2x Ms150t, 346xp, 357xp and a 441 seize.

     

    Bad luck? Just seems a big coincidence.

     

    Anyone elsi having issues?

     

    Hi Wolfie, sorry to hear about your issues

     

    The stihl Ultra oil is superior to the super Super HP so its unlikely this is the cause. if the fuel/oil mix is to blame, its far more likely to be caused by the mix ratio or the petrol part itself.

     

    Where these the same machines that ran on the old fuel/oil mix without issues? if so it could also be that they have simply worn out and they would have done the same had you continued using your previous oil. It does seem a coincidence but it doesn't have to be.

     

    Other members have mentioned that increased ethanol content in your fuel could play a role, this could be true especially if the machines have not been regularly tuned. When you increase the ethanol content in the fuel, you need to compensate by richening the carburettor settings or machines will run lean (ethanol contains around 30% oxygen). running lean for a long time will lead to premature engine failure. Unfortunately there is no way of telling the ethanol content in the fuel you buy at the pumps, all you are told is that it wont be higher than 5% until next year when the maximum level is set to increase to 10% 

     

    The above issues are eliminated when using a ready mixed Alkylate fuel such as Aspen 2 as not only do you get a guaranteed mix ratio which eliminates user error (this happens to the most experienced chainsaw users not just newbies) but you also get a consistent fuel which also plays an important part in the life of a 2-stroke engine.

     

    People often complain about the cost of Aspen when in reality for most arborists the cost increase is actually very small, especially in comparison to the cost of fixing machinery which break due to fuel/oil issues as this is usually over £200 per machine these days, never mind the inconvenient it causes.

     

     

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