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Position is to high and far to large for a terciry inlet,   looks to be like a stove with an optional water boiler.   If the boiler was fitted there was knock out sections for the water pipe.   While these could be resealed with washer and bolt a set of  firebricks would also need installation to replace the removed water boiler. 

Paint will not adhere to shiny stainless pipe.  The pipes will need powder coating,   it's the only way to do the job properly.  

They get their supplies mainly in pellet form from diseased softwood trees from the USA and Canada,     none the less chip demand in the UK is leading to a shortage in timber for firewood use.   

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23 hours ago, davewright01 said:

I also like Charnwoods + have owned several - I've now gone over to Burley though - they are just incredibly efficient - I think I'm burning half the wood I did with Charnwood

Must have been a very old Charnwood,   are you getting ash build up on the left hand side of the glass or have they now redesigned them ?.

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On 08/03/2024 at 10:17, Muddy42 said:

On a slight tangent.  I have a big Clearview that has developed a warp in the rear wall. Its not that bad, but it makes reattaching the flue harder.  Has anyone had any luck straightening out issues like this.  I was thinking of some heat and giving it a thump behind a flat surface.

Scrap it would be the safest option,    you have been burning it to hot or using it without a rear fire brick in place.   Seen a couple of Clearview 650s do this.  

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New figures release by Defra show that PM2.5 emissions show an 18% reduction since 2012 and 2022.  

Read the full report here:

https://stoveindustryassociation.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/240215SIAStatementAirPollutionStatsFINAL.pdf

Profesional members here are encouraged to use this data when talking to the public about installing a stove and the future of firewood as a fuel,  there is no cost to you for doing so.  The public should be encouraged to replace open fires which are usually around 20% efficient and older less efficient and less clean stoves with a 2022 compliant stove that is ultra clean and ultra efficient.    I now have one stove ( Charnwood Haven) at 90% efficient  and many in the upper 80s,    so x4 the heat from the same volume of fuel as an open fire ,  or,  the same heat level but only using 25% of the fuel to do it.    

At a national SIA meeting last autumn DEFRA advised the meeting that once gas boilers are banned from being installed into new properties ( 2030) then heating plan is air source heat pumps supported by wood burning stoves providing zonal heating in specific areas of a property.

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Sorry a bit late here.

I am a Charnwood major dealer so am perhaps a bit biased but in my opinion Charnwood are probably the world leaders in combustion technolgy at this time.    The bigger C series ( 6,7 and 8 ) and great stoves but most people dont have rooms large enough to allow them to work hard.   The smaller C4 and C5 are by far the more popular and I usually have 6 or 8 of each in stock at any one time.  

I have a Skye 7 live in my local showroom in Northants and live Aire 5 and live Haven in my Buckinghamshire one,  and my daughter has an Aire 7 in her home.      Usually for bigger stoves we sell Aire 7, Skye 7 or Island 2 as they have slightly larger glass areas although I did sell a C6 around Xmas time. 

I rebuilt a grate on a Charnwood boiler stove installed in 1984 a couple of summers ago,   all it has had done to it previously was a couple of door ropes,  38 years use for almost zero maintainence cost.  .    My Skye 7 in the showroom has now done around 7000 service hours,    the only part that required replacement was the baffle fire brick,  cost about £70 from memory,    cost of ownership with these stoves is very low as they are all well made in the UK from British made steel and cast iron.

Many of the cheap stoves  I see championed here would be nearing the end of their service life in 7 years.

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Assuming this is a Clearview 750 stove then that stove would usualy require 250mm of non combustible material under the stove.     However the Clearview web site suggests that 125mm is enough.

Talk to a good installer before going any further,   most Clearview stoves do not comply with the 2022 emissions and efficiency regulations or the 2014 version of the same and as a result many installers will not install a Clearview product.   

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A bit late on this one apologies.

The Stove Industry Alliance have been fighting this crap on behalf of the stove industry,   I would ask you all to spend some time looking at their web site please.

Home - Stove Industry Alliance | SIA

STOVEINDUSTRYALLIANCE.COM

Yesterday figures on air pollution released by Defra on air pollution data shows an 18% reduction in PM2.5 emissions nationally between 2012 and 2022.  

The SIA issued this press release yesterday:

240215SIAStatementAirPollutionStatsFINAL (1).pdf

At an SIA meeting last October DEFRA gave the attending members a presenttion on the future of domestic heating,   once gas boilers are banned from being installed into new properties from 2030 then the long term plan is for the use of electrically powered air source heat pumps,   however the insulation values of properites built before around 2012 will not be good enough to hold a room temperature above around 14 C,   therefore wood burning stoves will be used too provide zonal heating in specific areas.   

It costs a significant amount of money to fight this sort of stuff which is driven by inaccurate out of date details,   having a fry up for breakfast releases far more PM2.5 into the home than a 2022 complaint stove.  On test last year a Charnwood C5 BLU wood burning stove was proved to REDUCE PM 2.5 in the home as when the stove door was opened to refuel air from the room containing these particals was pulled into the stove and up the chimney,  this is solid independantly verified reserch.  

The SIA needs all the help financially it can get,   however at present membership is only open to stove manufacturers,  flue manufacturers, retail stove showrooms,  certified stove installers and certified chimney sweeps.   But you are free to access the data on the SIA website and social media channels and use this to reassure the public that the outdated and misleading  nonsense being peddled in the press etc has been independantly tested and found to be inaccurate in some cases and plain wrong in others.

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Talk to Firepower heating,    they are the importers and usually know what they are about.

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Charnwood non black colours are soft,  they need gentle handling untill the stove is well burnt in,    thats why you get a free aersol can of paint with the stove.

The Country Living colour options are even softer.

I would recommend that the stove is cleaned up and resprayed once its been swept in the spring,  use only genuine Charnwood paint,  2 maybe 3 very light thin coats.

As a Charnwood major dealer I can tell you the Island 2 is a smashing stove,  I hope you are putting into a large room.

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Not unusal especially is houses suffering from damp or condensation.

Clean it up using wire wool and respray with 2 or 3 coats of Heta stove paint.

Do not use other stove paints as some are oil and someare water based and dont play nicely together.

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Probably made by Saltfire in China and retailed under several brand names in the UK.  .  Very unlikely to have any spare parts available.

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16 hours ago, NJA said:

After reading this comment I was at Loxwood burners yesterday who used to do clearview but stopped.  The owner said non of their (clearview) stoves meet current regs for efficiency so can't be signed off, as haven't really developed them much in the last few years.  They have enough business trickling in from their reputation to keep the (old) owner busy till he retires in the near future.  Suppose he hasn't got the drive or passion to invest in developing the business as he's had his day.  Loxwood said they're still good stoves but they don't want to be fitting them.

So kinda confirms exactly what Alycidon said.

I understand that one or maybe two do meet the requirements,  the rest have not gone forward for testing,   but independant testing by others has revealed efficiency levels well below the current 75% minimum requirements.   This is unlikely to change in the short/meduim term I feel. 

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On 11/12/2023 at 13:38, NJA said:

Found this v helpful thanks, didn't realise this about Chesney.  After looking at Charnwood they look a good stove probably go for one of them I expect.  Any thoughts on Dean Forge and Esse?

Dont act for Dean Forge so cant fairly comment on them,   Esse I do act for,   very tough robust stoves,  100% built in Barnoldswick on the Yorks/Lancs borders but more basic in air managment than other brands.  If they were a car they would be a Ford or a Vauxhall,  good solid decent bits of kit but not as advanced as an Audi or BMW say.  

On 27/10/2023 at 21:55, cessna said:

We are considering installing a wood burning stove to replace  our open fire.  So if you have used a wood burning stove on a daily basis  (not just weekends)  for your main source of heat for heating your cottage/house over many years , I would be interested to know what make of stoves have stood the test of time.What metal are they made out of, I ask as I have heard that some makes of wood burning stoves "buckle over time" as they are made of poor quality materials. Not fussed what country the stove is  made in , I just want a really well made durable stove,which I know will come at a high price !!!

Thanks in advance for any,to the point info /advice.  

     

Stoves that stand the test of time are generally those made from scratch in the UK or western Europe.   The issue now is that there is a lot of importing not only of chinese etc junk but also by UK brands buying in semi finshed stoves from China and eastern Europe mainly and perhaps fitting a door handle or glass in the UK,.  These can then be sold as made in the UK.  

Sooner or later your stove will need service parts so its important to select a brand that is well estabilished and financially sound with a good parts back up.

I have rebuilt grates on Charnwoods and Morso stoves that are 40 years old plus,  Arada outer casings are  warranted for life,  Esse are a very robust product,other decent brands to consider,  Woodwarm, Heta, Hwam, Jotul.

Dont like Burley,   the circular air flow in every one of theirs I have seen within the firebox puts ash up the left hand side of the glass,   Chesney someone mentioned,  they went bust 2 or 3 years ago,  then reformed a few weeks later minus a lot of debt,  they buy in stoves from other manufacturers and re sell so quality and parts support would be a lottery.   

Somebody else mentioned Clearview,   really good stoves in their day but that was 20 /25 years ago and technology has moved on.  Most of their models are not compliant with the current emissions and efficiency requirements,   the buisness is for sale as the owner wishes to retire so their long term future is questionable.  

As a stove retailer I believe that the current world leader in combustion technology is Charnwood,   they have a big price ticket yes but very low ownership costs linked to a long product life makes the cost per year far lower than cheaper brands.

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Bit late now but that is a very old 100,   but a good shotblast should get it back into a form where it can be rebuilt,   but it has been abused,   check the steel sides and rear for warping or cracks before spending time and money on it.

Suspect its been overfired and been involved in a chimey fire as a result.

I  am an Esse stove dealer and have supplied that stove since 2008 with no issues at all.  

From what I can see it needs a new grate,  firebrick set, baffle plate and door glass and rope  kit.   Screws holding the bottom of the glass in place are likely to need drilling out and re tapping.

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They cristalize any tar causing it to drop off the inside of the chimney when swept,  they are NOT an alternative to sweeping the chimney,  this does still need to be done.

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In my years in the motor trade GME Springs in Coventry would be my go to supplier for uprated springs.

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I am now needing to renew my driving licence as my 70th birthday is coming up.

Having spent a few hours looking at the paperwork and different govt sites I came to the deduction that to pull IFW 3.5T trailers with my old Defender TD5 I needed groups B+E which I have and can be renewed with no issues. Somewhere else I read that allowed a max train weight of just over 8 tonnes,   I am about 5.9 max.  ( 2.4 + 3.5) .  

However if I wished to retain my grandfathers rights to drive 7.5 tonners then an HGV medical would be required.   Not having driven a 7.5 for maybe 20 years loosing that and minibuses is of no consequence.  I am now to old to drive Air Cadet mini buses anyway under their regs which was something I did occasionally.  

I was going to ask here is that is correct,  but the post at the top of this section answers this in great detail.      Thank you for the input guys,

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On 01/08/2023 at 11:28, Rich Rule said:

This is our install.  Been that that since the house was built, 2010.

 

It was all installed when we bought the house.  There is soap stone (I think that’s what it’s called on top of the oven) I think there is a soap stone as well to the left in the picture.

 

Sorry it is difficult to see as it is painted the same as the walls.

 

This thing burn hot and never had a problem.

 

We are in Norway BTW, so maybe different regulations regarding distances and install.

 

 

 

That install neat as it is would not be allowed under UK building regs.

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Best bet is to talk to the manufacturers of the stove you have in mind.    Some models in the better brands at the higher end of the price scale have convector panels integrated into them to reduce MCC to the sides and rear,   Morso S11-42 , Charnwood Skye and ARC models for example. 

Some installers are happy to fit cement board to the walls of the room instead. 

Dont forget the plasterboard is rated as combustible.

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On 28/06/2023 at 13:36, matt bumby said:

Hi, ive been selling husky for 10 years now and owned plenty!

They will pull one with no problems at all for occasional bigger jobs, just sick to a 325 small mount bar (oregon is the cheapest) try not change sprockets to 3/8 and run bigger chain.

if you want my honest opinion on it.. i would just go ahead with a 562xp, the tuning and larger air filter is designed to take it all day, we had loads of issues with 560xp saws coming in some less than a year old seized up from overheating, people running 20" 3/8 bars on them.. granted it was mainly in woodyards so a lot constant high revs but still not good to see, hope this helps !!

 

 

 

My 560 did two engines in very short time.   Huskys attitude at the time has sent a lifelong user to Sthil.  

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Good towing truck given Grabbers or similar rubber.

I ran an 03 Plate TD5 ES to  262,000 miles OK.  

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If that were the case then how would the ash be removed.   I used to be Franco Belge stove dealer many years ago,  dont recall what you describe but I could be wrong. 

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