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18 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

I'm interested as to why YOU would post it,

I think I can be pretty sure that you look beyond the current so called 'populist' opinions to form your own views, I know I do.  I  suspect however that the majority of those who 'claim' to, whilst simultaneously accusing others of not doing so if the view presented is contrary to their own, probably, actually, don't...

 

Why did it interest me enough to share it...

 

In part because it takes a reflective look back at previous political decisions / policies and how they may have contributed to current day societal status.  It is only by looking back and seeing what / why things were done that opinions / conclusions can really be informed. 

 

In part because I have probably been unconsciously influenced by the notion that work hard = personal reward, maybe without even knowing that it could have been a system of societal control (if you believe the opinions presented in the piece.)

 

In part because I am vehemently opposed to the waste, ineptitude, incompetence, inertia and lack of accountability / responsibility which seems to permeate so many levels of local, national and international government institutions - all tax funded of course.

 

In part because I have to pay tax.

 

In part because I'll never be super rich nor super poor so I'm one of the 'millions in the middle' that feels (IMHO) justifiably outraged by tax revenue taken from my hard earned being pissed up the wall (in what ever form that may take.) 

 

 I posted it - I didn't present any comment (yet)

 

From the closing paragraph - which I'm supposing was meant to be some form of loose 'conclusion' which I thought the article fairly failed to provide (other than the sweeping statement in the opening passage - "...The economic arguments adopted by Britain and the US in the 1980s led to vastly increased inequality – and gave the false impression that this outcome was not only inevitable, but good...")

 

Much of the inequality we see today in richer countries is more down to decisions made by governments than to irreversible market forces. These decisions can be changed. However, we have to want to control inequality: we must make inequality reduction a central aim of government policy and wider society. The most entrenched, self-deluding and self-perpetuating justifications for inequality are about morality, not economy. The great economist John Kenneth Galbraith nicely summarised the problem: “One of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy … is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

 

I do think there are some totally crazy and unjustifiable deltas between super rich and super poor (and the relative influence each group might have wrt shaping future policies) but I genuinely struggle with the 'bit in the middle' or is that just me struggling with the moral justification for selfishness?

 

It's difficult being in the middle - there are those that would think I'm a peasant and probably 100,000x more that would think I'm well off....

 

Tonight I'll ponder my shitty place in the universe over a salmon wellington and an ice cold old vine Chenin Blanc whilst someone sleeps in a cardboard box and someone else sleeps aboard a £4billion yacht.

 

Meh.... dichotomy - my working hand against a backdrop of granite worktop - didn't give us any answers to that in the article did they.  No surprise, probably only been read by soft handed, office working, champagne socialists in Islington anyway...

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Stubby said:

Yea but the one in the picture is not " solid " It just has no compressed air in it .  In fact it looks to absorb quite a lot .

yes I should have considered that

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Dancing on the head o' a pin here. Nice hand Kevin. Mine done same in the past but sipping champagne now after giving up the car n biking more. Dunno wt  the answer is- I am super rich compared to my mates. But still shop in Lidls! K

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16 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I think I can be pretty sure that you look beyond the current so called 'populist' opinions to form your own views, I know I do.  I  suspect however that the majority of those who 'claim' to, whilst simultaneously accusing others of not doing so if the view presented is contrary to their own, probably, actually, don't...

 

Why did it interest me enough to share it...

 

In part because it takes a reflective look back at previous political decisions / policies and how they may have contributed to current day societal status.  It is only by looking back and seeing what / why things were done that opinions / conclusions can really be informed. 

 

In part because I have probably been unconsciously influenced by the notion that work hard = personal reward, maybe without even knowing that it could have been a system of societal control (if you believe the opinions presented in the piece.)

 

In part because I am vehemently opposed to the waste, ineptitude, incompetence, inertia and lack of accountability / responsibility which seems to permeate so many levels of local, national and international government institutions - all tax funded of course.

 

In part because I have to pay tax.

 

In part because I'll never be super rich nor super poor so I'm one of the 'millions in the middle' that feels (IMHO) justifiably outraged by tax revenue taken from my hard earned being pissed up the wall (in what ever form that may take.) 

 

 I posted it - I didn't present any comment (yet)

 

From the closing paragraph - which I'm supposing was meant to be some form of loose 'conclusion' which I thought the article fairly failed to provide (other than the sweeping statement in the opening passage - "...The economic arguments adopted by Britain and the US in the 1980s led to vastly increased inequality – and gave the false impression that this outcome was not only inevitable, but good...")

 

Much of the inequality we see today in richer countries is more down to decisions made by governments than to irreversible market forces. These decisions can be changed. However, we have to want to control inequality: we must make inequality reduction a central aim of government policy and wider society. The most entrenched, self-deluding and self-perpetuating justifications for inequality are about morality, not economy. The great economist John Kenneth Galbraith nicely summarised the problem: “One of man’s oldest exercises in moral philosophy … is the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness."

 

I do think there are some totally crazy and unjustifiable deltas between super rich and super poor (and the relative influence each group might have wrt shaping future policies) but I genuinely struggle with the 'bit in the middle' or is that just me struggling with the moral justification for selfishness?

 

It's difficult being in the middle - there are those that would think I'm a peasant and probably 100,000x more that would think I'm well off....

 

Tonight I'll ponder my shitty place in the universe over a salmon wellington and an ice cold old vine Chenin Blanc whilst someone sleeps in a cardboard box and someone else sleeps aboard a £4billion yacht.

 

Meh.... dichotomy - my working hand against a backdrop of granite worktop - didn't give us any answers to that in the article did they.  No surprise, probably only been read by soft handed, office working, champagne socialists in Islington anyway...

 

 

 

 

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Ya rich bastard with your granite worktops!!!!😂😉

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48 minutes ago, breffni said:

Ya rich bastard with your granite worktops!!!!😂😉

That’s exactly the trouble though. How does it get fixed unless EVERYONE has exactly the same? 

 

Id quite like the Jag’s that Prescott had (wouldn’t really, but for artistic licence), the Brazilian holidays of Crow etc, etc. 

 

Everyone is a Lord of the Manor iffum yome living under a bridge...

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1 hour ago, Khriss said:

Dancing on the head o' a pin here. Nice hand Kevin. Mine done same in the past but sipping champagne now after giving up the car n biking more. Dunno wt  the answer is- I am super rich compared to my mates. But still shop in Lidls! K

So yome in the firing line as well then! Once ‘they’ve’ ‘liberated’ all the super yachts, ‘they’ll’ be coming for YOU!

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15 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

So yome in the firing line as well then! Once ‘they’ve’ ‘liberated’ all the super yachts, ‘they’ll’ be coming for YOU!

 

15 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

So yome in the firing line as well then! Once ‘they’ve’ ‘liberated’ all the super yachts, ‘they’ll’ be coming for YOU!

..... They will have to drag me out of my series II an pull that husky 266 out of my cold dead fingers..... Obvs that problysy be after a couple of hours of logging with it 😜

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P.S.

Just to rile 'Eggs, but since our Son has started working in a Post Office, he is well aware of the levels of benefits being paid, since he is home for my 60th birthday party we have been chatting a little.

One woman comes in with 2 cards, "clear them out please" so £600.00 times 2 cards (£600.00 being the max payable) =£1,200.00, she is in the next day for the balance, another sum of just shy on £400.00 on one card and a measly £197.00 on the other.

So a total of £1,800.00(ish), which might? be for 2 weeks, but even so, not many "ordinary" jobs pay a screw like that, never mind the DLA/PIP car(s) provided outside of these figures.

And yet she is apparently living in "poverty", and no doubt her children and grandchildren, ad infinitum, will continue to live so profligately while still living in "poverty".

Off others hard earned tax revenues.

Marcus

 

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Just to rile 'Eggs, but since our Son has started working in a Post Office, he is well aware of the levels of benefits being paid, since he is home for my 60th birthday party we have been chatting a little.
One woman comes in with 2 cards, "clear them out please" so £600.00 times 2 cards (£600.00 being the max payable) =£1,200.00, she is in the next day for the balance, another sum of just shy on £400.00 on one card and a measly £197.00 on the other.
So a total of £1,800.00(ish), which might? be for 2 weeks, but even so, not many "ordinary" jobs pay a screw like that, never mind the DLA/PIP car(s) provided outside of these figures.
And yet she is apparently living in "poverty", and no doubt her children and grandchildren, ad infinitum, will continue to live so profligately while still living in "poverty".
Off others hard earned tax revenues.
Marcus
 

What are the woman in questions circumstances Marcus?( apart from receiving a shitload of taxpayers money? Like many profitable businesses do on a daily basis with big fat cat owners or farmers bus companies etc etc
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