Making the news today....

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Kevin,

 

I understand your frustration.

 

 

Made I larf!!

 

😀

[stihlmadasever]

How can 2 people look at the same thing and see the complete opposite?

 

It's a mad world! 😳

 

It is a mad world so we agree on something.

Take the positives mate

[Stumpy Grinder]

This Facebook Comment About the UK Election Is Going Viral

 

This bloke pretty much sums up what i think.

 

In a perfect world, viewed through rose tinted specs, this would be a lovely solution, but unfortunately, it is the people with money that have always had the most influence, and always will!

Forcing such issues as raising the minimum wage to £10 is simply not sustainable! Employers simply cannot afford a 33% or so wage hike, and will either go bust, reduce their workforce by a similar percentage, or pass the increase on to the consumer. The result is more unemployment, an increased cost of living and more ''takers' than 'givers'! The Labour government will promote a nation of layabouts that continue to supply them with votes whilst they borrow money and rob the rich until the country has a vast majority of takers, at which point it will crash and burn! We need to promote a productive society and encourage employment, whilst getting rid of scroungers. It doesn't matter where people come from either. If people are prepared to work and pay taxes, then they are 'givers' and should be made welcome. Those that move here for a better life but continue to take can kindly leave. Those that were born here but continue to take when they are able to give should be given the bare minimum to survive and nothing more! That does not include iphones, a widescreen plasma TV, the latest Nike Airmax trainers, 40 cigarettes/day, vodka/beer/drugs and a free house!

Most would then by strange coincidence find work as recent statistics prove.

For those that agree with the above link, and believe that we should target and exploit the rich as it is long overdue, you should first understand how our Taxation system works! Here follows an analogy as to how our tax system works in Layman's (Arborist's?) terms! (I did not write it)

 

Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

 

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay £1.

The sixth would pay £3.

The seventh would pay £7.

The eighth would pay £12.

The ninth would pay £18.

And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.　

So, that's what they decided to do.

 

The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

 

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.　

 

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

 

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).

The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).

The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).

The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).

The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).

And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).　

Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.　

 

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"　

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"　

 

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"　

 

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.　

 

The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!　

 

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.　

 

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.

For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

Please think very long and hard before you vote for Labour as we are at a very sensitive tipping point as we leave Europe. If Corbyn were to somehow win this, he would be somewhat like a dog that has been chasing cars for years and then finally caught one! He wouldn't have the first idea as to what to do with it and could certainly never drive it!

There is only one party that can steer us through the next couple of years and they need a clear road to achieve it. A coalition would be disastrous for us as a country, but possibly not quite as disastrous as another Labour government which would destroy us. We all want what is best for everyone, but at this moment in time, we need to consider what is best for our country.

Any vote other than Conservative now could seriously compromise our future.

SG

[SteveA]

I think £10 per hour is sustainable & it encourages workers to feel valued.

 

We would rather pay somebody £10 per hour and get good productivity & smiles than pay less to somebody who does far less work with a de-moralised attitude.

cheers, Steve

[Richard 1234]

I think £10 per hour is sustainable & it encourages workers to feel valued.

 

We would rather pay somebody £10 per hour and get good productivity & smiles than pay less to somebody who does far less work with a de-moralised attitude.

cheers, Steve

 

 

That's all fine but what happens when everything goes up by 25%?

Do you then pay £12.50 an hour?

 

 

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[SteveA]

That's all fine but what happens when everything goes up by 25%?

Do you then pay £12.50 an hour?

 

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Our business won't be putting prices up.... so it's not 'everything'.

Cheers, Steve

[Graham w]

I think £10 per hour is sustainable & it encourages workers to feel valued.

 

We would rather pay somebody £10 per hour and get good productivity & smiles than pay less to somebody who does far less work with a de-moralised attitude.

cheers, Steve

 

naw! they would just expect more money for little effort. i think that when you start out its best for you to have low wages as an incentive for you to better your skills that will lead to higher pay

[matelot]

About 50% of adults pay no income tax...

The richest 1% pay a quarter of income tax.....

[muttley9050]

In a perfect world, viewed through rose tinted specs, this would be a lovely solution, but unfortunately, it is the people with money that have always had the most influence, and always will!

Forcing such issues as raising the minimum wage to £10 is simply not sustainable! Employers simply cannot afford a 33% or so wage hike, and will either go bust, reduce their workforce by a similar percentage, or pass the increase on to the consumer. The result is more unemployment, an increased cost of living and more ''takers' than 'givers'! The Labour government will promote a nation of layabouts that continue to supply them with votes whilst they borrow money and rob the rich until the country has a vast majority of takers, at which point it will crash and burn! We need to promote a productive society and encourage employment, whilst getting rid of scroungers. It doesn't matter where people come from either. If people are prepared to work and pay taxes, then they are 'givers' and should be made welcome. Those that move here for a better life but continue to take can kindly leave. Those that were born here but continue to take when they are able to give should be given the bare minimum to survive and nothing more! That does not include iphones, a widescreen plasma TV, the latest Nike Airmax trainers, 40 cigarettes/day, vodka/beer/drugs and a free house!

Most would then by strange coincidence find work as recent statistics prove.

For those that agree with the above link, and believe that we should target and exploit the rich as it is long overdue, you should first understand how our Taxation system works! Here follows an analogy as to how our tax system works in Layman's (Arborist's?) terms! (I did not write it)

 

Suppose that once a week, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to £100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this...

 

The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.

The fifth would pay £1.

The sixth would pay £3.

The seventh would pay £7.

The eighth would pay £12.

The ninth would pay £18.

And the tenth man (the richest) would pay £59.　

So, that's what they decided to do.

 

The ten men drank in the bar every week and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until, one day, the owner caused them a little problem. "Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your weekly beer by £20." Drinks for the ten men would now cost just £80.

 

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free but what about the other six men? The paying customers? How could they divide the £20 windfall so that everyone would get his fair share? They realized that £20 divided by six is £3.33 but if they subtracted that from everybody's share then not only would the first four men still be drinking for free but the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.　

 

So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fairer to reduce each man's bill by a higher percentage. They decided to follow the principle of the tax system they had been using and he proceeded to work out the amounts he suggested that each should now pay.

 

And so, the fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (a100% saving).

The sixth man now paid £2 instead of £3 (a 33% saving).

The seventh man now paid £5 instead of £7 (a 28% saving).

The eighth man now paid £9 instead of £12 (a 25% saving).

The ninth man now paid £14 instead of £18 (a 22% saving).

And the tenth man now paid £49 instead of £59 (a 16% saving).　

Each of the last six was better off than before with the first four continuing to drink for free.　

 

But, once outside the bar, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got £1 out of the £20 saving," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, "but he got £10!"　

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a £1 too. It's unfair that he got ten times more benefit than me!"　

 

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get £10 back, when I only got £2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"　

 

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "we didn't get anything at all. This new tax system exploits the poor!" The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.　

 

The next week the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had their beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important - they didn't have enough money between all of them to pay for even half of the bill!　

 

And that, boys and girls, journalists and government ministers, is how our tax system works. The people who already pay the highest taxes will naturally get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas, where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.　

 

For those who understand, no explanation is needed.

For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

Please think very long and hard before you vote for Labour as we are at a very sensitive tipping point as we leave Europe. If Corbyn were to somehow win this, he would be somewhat like a dog that has been chasing cars for years and then finally caught one! He wouldn't have the first idea as to what to do with it and could certainly never drive it!

There is only one party that can steer us through the next couple of years and they need a clear road to achieve it. A coalition would be disastrous for us as a country, but possibly not quite as disastrous as another Labour government which would destroy us. We all want what is best for everyone, but at this moment in time, we need to consider what is best for our country.

Any vote other than Conservative now could seriously compromise our future.

SG

What Kevin said is true, two people can look at the same problem/statement and see two different things.

The only way the capitalist world we live in can suceed is to continually boom and bust devastating the lives of some of the poorer people or to totally destroy the planet. The resources open to us are finite and perpetual growth is impossible.

[SteveA]

naw! they would just expect more money for little effort. i think that when you start out its best for you to have low wages as an incentive for you to better your skills that will lead to higher pay

 

The £10 minimum wage won't apply to apprentices.... partly for the reason you've suggested.

cheers, Steve