Employment Law

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

I know all that. And I agree he sounds like he is definitely being exploited. Now the law favours the wealthy. And people like my former employer capitalise on the fact that he can bend the rules and break the law and you need a small fortune to do anything about it. I was a member of the union Unite, they told me I'd need £2500 to get him to court and cover costs which I'd get back if I won. Problem was, it was essentially his word against ours. Not a problem if you've got that sort of cash but I didn't and my former boss knew it.

 

I'm not a great fan of useless fat-cat union reps and bosses.

 

The 36 union fat-cats who are each picking up more than £100k | Daily Mail Online

 

The trade union fat cats who are strangling our country - Telegraph

 

Champagne socialists hell bent on crippling business whilst suckling at the teat of rich cream provided by the membership fees of the proletariat.

 

Here's the fees table for bringing a claim at an employment tribunal:

 

https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribunals/make-a-claim

 

If the circumstances are as described, it should be within the gift of most people to present a simple representation of the facts.

 

Somewhat less than the 2.5k the union suggest.....

[ChrisPlumpton]

That's quite a bit cheaper than I was told. Needless to say, I'm no longer a member. What was the point being a member if they can't/won't help. I had a union rep sit in on meetings with my boss, they even said he was in the wrong but still got no help from them.

[eggsarascal]

I'm not a great fan of useless fat-cat union reps and bosses.

 

The 36 union fat-cats who are each picking up more than £100k | Daily Mail Online

 

The trade union fat cats who are strangling our country - Telegraph

 

Champagne socialists hell bent on crippling business whilst suckling at the teat of rich cream provided by the membership fees of the proletariat.

 

Here's the fees table for bringing a claim at an employment tribunal:

 

https://www.gov.uk/employment-tribunals/make-a-claim

 

If the circumstances are as described, it should be within the gift of most people to present a simple representation of the facts.

 

Somewhat less than the 2.5k the union suggest.....

 

Worded that one carefully, Mr Johnson.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Worded that one carefully, Mr Johnson.

 

Afternoon Mr Eggs!

 

I did think of you whilst writing that! :thumb up:

 

I suspect we'll find some of the union bosses with council houses and off shore trust funds before too long...

 

I bet some spotty ex Etonian Tory-boy researcher in a 'jobs for the boys' grace and favour outer office job is desperately looking it up as a means to deflect from Cameron's current mire.....

 

By god, as if MPs expenses wasn't enough to stop the bloody lies and snouts in the trough, here we go again - it's Cameron for now, but the house of cards will follow soon enough and we'll probably find a fair representation from the other side too.

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see a polar shift in the public's tolerance of such behaviour before very much longer.

 

Come the day of the revolution brother

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

That's quite a bit cheaper than I was told. Needless to say, I'm no longer a member. What was the point being a member if they can't/won't help. I had a union rep sit in on meetings with my boss, they even said he was in the wrong but still got no help from them.

 

Doesn't exactly fill you with confidence I'd agree....

[felixthelogchopper]

I know all that. And I agree he sounds like he is definitely being exploited. Now the law favours the wealthy. And people like my former employer capitalise on the fact that he can bend the rules and break the law and you need a small fortune to do anything about it. I was a member of the union Unite, they told me I'd need £2500 to get him to court and cover costs which I'd get back if I won. Problem was, it was essentially his word against ours. Not a problem if you've got that sort of cash but I didn't and my former boss knew it.

 

Your union should have taken the case for you unless they felt it had a poor chance of succeeding.

[Hobbsurf]

When you start working for someone, you enter into a contractual agreement. That's between you and the employer.

 

It's what grown ups do when they earn money to make a living. If the job doesn't fit the initial agreement, sort it out on day one. People who allow others to take advantage of their own good nature tend to be victims. It's a big bad world, but hey...

[eggsarascal]

Afternoon Mr Eggs!

 

I did think of you whilst writing that! :thumb up:

 

I suspect we'll find some of the union bosses with council houses and off shore trust funds before too long...

 

I bet some spotty ex Etonian Tory-boy researcher in a 'jobs for the boys' grace and favour outer office job is desperately looking it up as a means to deflect from Cameron's current mire.....

 

By god, as if MPs expenses wasn't enough to stop the bloody lies and snouts in the trough, here we go again - it's Cameron for now, but the house of cards will follow soon enough and we'll probably find a fair representation from the other side too.

 

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we see a polar shift in the public's tolerance of such behaviour before very much longer.

 

Come the day of the revolution brother

 

Is the whole lot just a shambles?, or are we getting older and sick of the bollox?

 

What ever side you/me are on we're being screwed.

 

I doubt there will ever be a revolution........ Most folk ain't got the balls to stand up for themselfs.

[Mark Bolam]

To me this is dead simple.

The lad needs to say to the company he wants to be paid 10 hours, or they can pay him 8 and he'll meet them at the site. Or they can poke their job.

UNLESS

He lives near the yard and they're doing him a favour by effectively giving him a company vehicle and diesel to get him to work.

 

We need more facts!

I take it it's not an arb job?

[ChrisPlumpton]

Your union should have taken the case for you unless they felt it had a poor chance of succeeding.

 

 

That's just it. At the end of the day it all boiled down to his word against mine. The union viewed it 50/50 and could go either way. He was a crafty fella my old boss. Just because it can't be proven doesn't mean it didn't happen.