Petzl Croll

[Mark Bolam]

Thanks EA, I'll have a rethink.

 

 

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[Agent-Arb]

I'm thinking a hand-ascender with footloop, a Croll and a Pantin would be safe enough for SRT access with a bombproof anchor, or am I being reckless and dangerous as usual?

 

 

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Yep an out & out maverick! ...again

 

When did IRATA training in '03 we had 2 lines/ropes on ascent/descent - always. The instructor & assessor said that us tree guys were the only folk working at height with only line. Albeit one that we could go up AND down on. So to restrict ourselves further with something that can ONLY go up isn't great. Nevermind only using something that could strip or even sever the rope in event of a bad fall/anchor point failure. I do hear that you said bombproof anchor. Hey sometimes I even take my seat belt off when reversing a car!

 

Problem as I see it, is a classic case of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing for a lot of us myself included. We're not daft, we all want to go home at the end of a day, but there seems to me to be a real need for some kind of standardisation which could cement all the different strands of knowledge together. Would be a shame to hear of ANY failures or accidents when they could have been prevented for the sake of us all getting our heads together.

 

Would a hitch above a handled ascender even have time to kick in & prevent the worse happening unless it was nice n tight?

 

Petzl shunts are a good bit of kit, used as ascent back up on 2nd line in IRATA. When I did it, you had to buy the kit you were trained with, & no deviations allowed when working on a job. What you did up a tree down a cave whatever was on your own head if it went wrong. So, restrictive to innovation yes, but less room for error on the bosses/level 3's watch. They used to say the rope bit was just catching the bus to work, what you did when you got there was what you're being paid for.

 

Climb safe

 

 

 

 

 

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[Joe Newton]

You maverick Bolam.

 

Could you get a long prussik, similar to what I use for footlocking, and tie a klemheist above your hand ascender? Tied loosely it should advance fine but bite down you'll your 3 ascenders fail.

 

 

 

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[Mark Bolam]

Thanks for the feedback fellas.

I was really impressed with the way the Croll captured progress, and want to look at options.

 

Basically I'm bone idle, old and knackered, and just want to get up to the top without having my afternoon nap.

 

How I used to body-thrust up 90' pops with a Prussick I'll never know.

 

 

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[Joe Newton]

Damn, Conrad beat me to it with a much better reasoning.

 

Out of interest what's wrong with using a pantin and hand ascender/footloop, with your rw/vt in the middle using a cord between your hand ascender and hitch to capture progress? Purely the clutter?

 

 

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[Agent-Arb]

Thanks for the feedback fellas.

I was really impressed with the way the Croll captured progress, and want to look at options.

 

Basically I'm bone idle, old and knackered, and just want to get up to the top without having my afternoon nap.

 

How I used to body-thrust up 90' pops with a Prussick I'll never know.

 

 

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I'm hearing you brother

My suggestions are:

Man sized big shot.

Ropetek Wraptor(engine powered)

A 21 year old to climb for you

 

Or on a tangent what about unicender & pantin? I havnt tried one yet, but it goes up. & down. Does SRT & DdRT.

Here's a crazy thought/brainfart : what about a pussik above the uni or whatever you choose & handled ascenders onto the prissik/klemheist so if you went & overloaded it you might only damage the loop & not your main line?

 

Easy Joe, what do reckon to that? How's the spikes doin ya?

All the best,

Conrad

 

 

 

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[Agent-Arb]

Damn, Conrad beat me to it with a much better reasoning.

 

Out of interest what's wrong with using a pantin and hand ascender/footloop, with your rw/vt in the middle using a cord between your hand ascender and hitch to capture progress? Purely the clutter?

 

 

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Doubled up Joe - takes me about 10mins on my phone! It's like speaking to each other's answerphone

 

Arbclimber issue 4 there's a bit in there about fall loading toothed ascenders, & them being able to sever the rope. Only takes a shonky union to fail or if you are on an epicormic you havnt seen which goes, & even falling just 1metre to union below can be enough. So with every thing else being below the ascenders - it's going to hurt. Even if you are just off the ground you could be looking at 2 broken legs if they are locked straight on impact, even at that height. Seriously.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Mark Bolam]

Damn, Conrad beat me to it with a much better reasoning.

 

Out of interest what's wrong with using a pantin and hand ascender/footloop, with your rw/vt in the middle using a cord between your hand ascender and hitch to capture progress? Purely the clutter?

 

 

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That's it mate, it is quite cluttered.

 

Still works well, I'll just practice more.

 

I'd be even slower with 2 broken legs.

 

I'm touched that you fellas are looking out for me, rather than just typing 'Do it Bolam!'.

 

 

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[Joe Newton]

That's it mate, it is quite cluttered.

 

Still works well, I'll just practice more.

 

I'd be even slower with 2 broken legs.

 

I'm touched that you fellas are looking out for me, rather than just typing 'Do it Bolam!'.

 

 

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If you break your legs we gotta suffer more of your jokes while you're on the mend

 

 

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[Joe Newton]

I'm hearing you brother

My suggestions are:

Man sized big shot.

Ropetek Wraptor(engine powered)

A 21 year old to climb for you

 

Or on a tangent what about unicender & pantin? I havnt tried one yet, but it goes up. & down. Does SRT & DdRT.

Here's a crazy thought/brainfart : what about a pussik above the uni or whatever you choose & handled ascenders onto the prissik/klemheist so if you went & overloaded it you might only damage the loop & not your main line?

 

Easy Joe, what do reckon to that? How's the spikes doin ya?

All the best,

Conrad

 

 

 

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Hi Conrad, the spikes are going strong and have paid for themselves many times over thank you! Might treat myself to some Velcro uppers sometime!

 

I find discussing access systems very interesting since one of my elbows is already buggered at the tender age of 25!

 

I've just bought a pantin to help, and tomorrow I have a 100'+ beech to deadwood so I'll be putting it to the test. I love climbing ddrt on a hitchclimber but I think I'll look at getting a rw for the big ones. I'm sure it'll be great in the right scenario.

 

 

 

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