efficiency in rigging

[Big 'Ammer]

Dadio, I agree with Dean,

 

these real-work, warts and all, videos were far more enjoyable than some of your others I have watched where you are trying to ram it down peoples throats that your way is the only way to do things.

 

I would definately echo your comment about confident, accurate felling being an asset to the team and the efficiency of the job as a whole.

 

Whilst some others have stated that profit can be best maximised by the efficient use of rigging, I would argue that, in the majority of cases, profit is in fact maximised by the minimum use of rigging.

[dadio]

We know it was intentional, it said so in the vid, that didn't stop the butts nearly knocking him out a couple of times

 

It's ok to be pinned to the tree and suffer fatal internal injuries as long as you dont shock load the piece being lowered ???

 

You do come out with some funny things

 

 

There was actually only one piece where the butt cmae back towards the climber and he jumped a bit. He had however placed himself behind the trunk and was out of harms way, so it was more of a flinch than a real threat to his safety. On that particular cut, he had asked me to hold it for a moment to clear an obstacle before allowing it to run. Again, when a cut looks a little dodgy becasue it comes close to something, it is often a sign of mastery, rather than incompetence.

 

No one has yet mentioned the error that I had in mind, with a bad cut leading to an obvious safety violation. The piece that got hung up was a lesser error of miscommunication, where I let the piece run as I had been doing on the previous cuts, when I should have held tight and the tips would have cleared the sassafrass.

[Robert_S]

i did not like the one where he was cutting with the top hander with one hand and pushing the section with the other.

But he has like most of us done it a million times, but as i get older i just see the ramifications of such an injury, as i dont feel indestructable anymore.

 

i agree with the other posts that i enjoyed this video more than your others.

[dadio]

Yes Robert,

that was the specific cut I thought was the worst and a mistake he used to make regularly. I was one handing on a crane cut a couple weeks back and as the piece laid back slowly towards the bar, becasue of the lift from the crane, I felt the saw start to kick back towards me. With only one hand on the rear handle, I was helpless to stop the saw, had it wanted to keep moving back towards me. I"LL NEVER do that again!!! That was an extremely helpless feeling.. my life at the mercy of the saw's movement.

 

If you look closely at Pat's cut, you can see he cut an unintentional bypass dutchman on the face of that upright, then reached up and pushed with one hand as he cut with the other until the piece broke. He is big and strong enough to get away with that, but it is VERY poor practice. The bypassed face causes the hinge to sieze and he has to cut through it to failure, as he pushed. Had he cut a proper notch and back cut, he could have put the saw away and safely pushed with both hands.

 

There was a climber in Tennessee that cut his arm off doing the exact same thing. I've tried to talk to Pat about it, as the uncut video showed him regularly bypassing many of his faces on that job, but he doesn't seem to want to hear it.

 

I usually don't get too uptight about one handing in many cases, BUT this is one where it seems totally unnecessary, and it would be better to correct the technique than keep taking chances. Seems like the big strong guys are the ones tha tend to handle the saw with one hand in bad positions, because they are strong enough to get away with it.. That is until the saw kicks, and then its too late.

Edited October 7, 2010 by dadio

[skyhuck]

Yes Robert,

that was the specific cut I thought was the worst and a mistake he used to make regularly. I was one handing on a crane cut a couple weeks back and as the piece laid back slowly towards the bar, becasue of the lift from the crane, I felt the saw start to kick back towards me. With only one hand on the rear handle, I was helpless to stop the saw, had it wanted to keep moving back towards me. I"LL NEVER do that again!!! That was an extremely helpless feeling.. my life at the mercy of the saw's movement.

 

If you look closely at Pat's cut, you can see he cut an unintentional bypass dutchman on the face of that upright, then reached up and pushed with one hand as he cut with the other until the piece broke. He is big and strong enough to get away with that, but it is VERY poor practice. The bypassed face causes the hinge to sieze and he has to cut through it to failure, as he pushed. Had he cut a proper notch and back cut, he could have put the saw away and safely pushed with both hands.

 

There was a climber in Tennessee that cut his arm off doing the exact same thing. I've tried to talk to Pat about it, as the uncut video showed him regularly bypassing many of his faces on that job, but he doesn't seem to want to hear it.

 

I usually don't get too uptight about one handing in many cases, BUT this is one where it seems totally unnecessary, and it would be better to correct the technique than keep taking chances. Seems like the big strong guys are the ones tha tend to handle the saw with one hand in bad positions, because they are strong enough to get away with it.. That is until the saw kicks, and then its too late.

 

But as you say, you were one handing a rear handed saw which is never good!!

 

Your climber is only doing it with a top handle. I doubt I am as strong as your guy, but know I can control the kickback of an 020 with one hand.

 

Great vids!! thanks!!

[dadio]

excuse me.. it was a ms 200 and I was on the top handle..

 

I think it is unwise to think you can handle kcikback from that saw with one hand.. It may depend on your position. with any kind of reaching, you'd have very little control to stop a serios kickback.

[Mark Bolam]

Loved these vids Daniel.

 

Bought it home to me whilst felling a Sycamore yesterday that was the size of some of the limbs being rigged out.

 

I can't see how people don't recognise just how good a climber Pat Epps is (bad habits aside!).

 

I've seldom seen a climber look so fluid and comfortable in 100'+ trees.

 

Great tip re the tuppaware box for keeping the tails of the lines tidy. I'll be nicking that one. Thanks.

[bob]

Yes Robert,

that was the specific cut I thought was the worst and a mistake he used to make regularly. I was one handing on a crane cut a couple weeks back and as the piece laid back slowly towards the bar, becasue of the lift from the crane, I felt the saw start to kick back towards me. With only one hand on the rear handle, I was helpless to stop the saw, had it wanted to keep moving back towards me. I"LL NEVER do that again!!! That was an extremely helpless feeling.. my life at the mercy of the saw's movement.

oi

did i not post that one first

don,t i win a prize

or was you ignoring ME:lol:

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[Mesterh]

Great video & as for the climber being 'good' or not, He was Efficient! & that's what it's all about there are far too many people who think being the best climber is all about bombing about the tree, right to the extremities of the branches, but as this video demonstarates it has little to do with being a productive climber.

A few people have critisised the tie off point...... This Was Intentional! it is to reduce the shock loading on the rope & is the safest way to do it by far, yes but & tip tying have their place but not so much in this tree & not with such big lumps.

 

A great job well done by the whole team!

Improoving the efficincy of our rigging is the best way to make Maximum profit

 

 

 

I dunno, I think I will stick to butt and tip tying in regards as the safest method.

 

Did work efficiently though in the vids.

[dadio]

Nice vids

 

worst bit for me was 3.22 2nd vid

one:thumbup:

 

 

The dutchman appears at 3:38 of the second video.. If that is waht you were refering to Bob, then good on you for picking up the mistake. I never checked the time after reading your initial post.