How to get into tree surgery

[Stubby]

4 hours ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Stick to teaching, , more money, easier deal and no shite weather 

My lad started on the same money he got teaching and now he is on more . It is not easier to deal with . So much paperwork and the perants are a nightmare . EG little Jonny throws a gym shoe at little Freddie . Paper work in triplicate Mum and Dad come storming down . You have to " moniter " the situation . Its Bonkers . That is just a small part of the pile of arse ache teaching is nowadays . 

[Tree monkey 1682]

33 minutes ago, Stubby said:

My lad started on the same money he got teaching and now he is on more . It is not easier to deal with . So much paperwork and the perants are a nightmare . EG little Jonny throws a gym shoe at little Freddie . Paper work in triplicate Mum and Dad come storming down . You have to " moniter " the situation . Its Bonkers . That is just a small part of the pile of arse ache teaching is nowadays . 

Must of known this before going to uni, like teachers say not everyone's cut out for uni .bit a waste of time and money .

Thing is if people were less woke and teachers taught resilience , life skills and stuff like that we probably wouldn't be in such a mess that we are ....ie everyone goes to uni and cant get a job.

[Mick Dempsey]

[Stubby]

4 hours ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Must of known this before going to uni, like teachers say not everyone's cut out for uni .

Uni was not a problem . It was all the crap that went with teaching . He was a good teacher and they were sorry to loose him . He could not have known about all the crap that went with it . He decided it was not for him after 2 years giving it a go . He wanted a job that you start at such and such and such -O- clock and finish at so and so  -O- clock . With teaching it was 24/7 . He is happy now . 

Edited March 2 by Stubby

[Tree monkey 1682]

1 hour ago, Stubby said:

Uni was not a problem . It was all the crap that went with teaching . He was a good teacher and they were sorry to loose him . He could not have known about all the crap that went with it . He decided it was not for him after 2 years giving it a go . He wanted a job that you start at such and such and such -O- clock and finish ay so and so  -O- clock . With teaching it was 24/7 . He is happy now . 

Problem is everyone is now pushed to uni , for a degree,debt and a so called education. The are degrees that are meaningless, so many people chasing one job. Etc 

As goes for crap with a teaching job  , u only have to think what one was like as a pupil , but its not a hard job, better pay, better pension not weather dependant and good enough to get a mortgage on . I just dont think we teach people  to be resilient enough... first bit of stress and we have a meltdown .

[Stubby]

44 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Problem is everyone is now pushed to uni , for a degree,debt and a so called education. The are degrees that are meaningless, so many people chasing one job. Etc 

As goes for crap with a teaching job  , u only have to think what one was like as a pupil , but its not a hard job, better pay, better pension not weather dependant and good enough to get a mortgage on . I just dont think we teach people  to be resilient enough... first bit of stress and we have a meltdown .

You have been a teacher then I assume ? 

[Tree monkey 1682]

39 minutes ago, Stubby said:

You have been a teacher then I assume ? 

Nope , im to good for it - i did look into teaching within a prison , and doing vocational training to deliver  courses with prisoners , then i would have gone on to do iqa work. anyone can go to uni and teach a carriculum set out by the government ... its quite easy, turn up teach , deliver the syllabus and meet ofstead targets.

Fact of the matter is i can sit on a digger earn more than what a teacher earns i  still have to work around thickos, retards and people that dont know what they are doing but im not in debt  to some useless paperwork - just for letters beyond my name . 

See its back to what I said if uni wasnt the new college and people realised  what they were good at, and mummy and daddy didnt push every child to uni, ultimately children would be happier than living there parents dream.

[Stubby]

13 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Nope , im to good for it - i did look into teaching within a prison , and doing vocational training to deliver  courses with prisoners , then i would have gone on to do iqa work. anyone can go to uni and teach a carriculum set out by the government ... its quite easy, turn up teach , deliver the syllabus and meet ofstead targets.

Fact of the matter is i can sit on a digger earn more than what a teacher earns i  still have to work around thickos, retards and people that dont know what they are doing but im not in debt  to some useless paperwork - just for letters beyond my name . 

See its back to what I said if uni wasnt the new college and people realised  what they were good at, and mummy and daddy didnt push every child to uni, ultimately children would be happier than living there parents dream.

You saying  "its not a hard job " then is not based on any expirience of teaching then . Now you are saying " sit on a digger and earn more " but you were telling the OP to stick to teaching . You are all over the place ! 

[Mick Dempsey]

 

52 minutes ago, Stubby said:

You have been a teacher then I assume ? 

Not of English I’d wager. 

[Oldfeller]

I grew up in the 50,s and 60,s even back then there was a huge difference in teaching, subjects such as metalwork, woodwork, science, biology, were taught by knowledgeable teachers, with real hands on skills, I learnt to weld, braze, operate a lathe, anneal metals, harden metals, even sandcasting and forge operation, we made tools, working cannons, swords, even a steam engine, and a go kart with a lawnmower engine, in addition to restoring an old Ariel  Red Hunter to a usable condition.

we made fireworks in science, among other things, and biology class there were a large tank with living fish that we learnt about, and small mammals were kept in the school too, in addition there were many field trips to museums and the countryside to study wildlife. 

and then  there were the latest batch of teachers, mostly "beatnik" types who in reality knew very little more than those they were supposed to be teaching, their idea of teaching was to simply turn up copy a bunch of stuff from a book onto a blackboard and then when the work was handed in ,, simply tick it correct or wrong , from their "master book" with all the answers provided,,, any pupil in the entire class no matter their academic prowess could have carried out the same task. bright kids would run feckin' circles 'round 'em, and those that needed a little help received none. I recall they soon moved on. but were replaced with another of the same.

even back then it became obvious some were in the profession because they had  great talent and skills the wished to pass on to the next generation, and those that simply thought it would be a nice easy job with long summer holidays, and even a few that enjoyed the persecution of kids largely due to their inability to offer them any real life skills,  and unfortunately some that had what is now regarded as a somewhat "unhealthy even perverse",  interest in young children. and just like today, the victims  were ignored and branded as liars, or troublemakers.

my grandfather gave me great guidance in how to deal with certain types, and it served me well throughout not only my schooldays, but my entire life.

these days it seems to me anyway education has been largely replaced with indoctrination.

 

Edited March 2 by Oldfeller