wood burners

[GarethM]

FFS, long waffle about burning wood and co2.

 

Well seeing as it's the same co2 released burning vs rotting.

[openspaceman]

13 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

I know, we've been here before a few times I believe. 

 

I agree with all of that. I was talking mainly talking about local air pollution, air quality, not global CO2 emissions. 
 

The elephant in the room that you didn't mention is the non-combustion particulates that come from cars and trucks. The brake and tyre dust predominantly. I believe that is probably now a bigger issue than engine emissions. Especially with all the bigger, heavier electric cars. That very rarely gets talked about in the promotion of EVs. It's something that requires far greater scrutiny. Urgently.

 

Micro plastics, and the myriad of chemicals within them - yeah, that's the real demon here. We've only just found the tip of the iceberg, in terms of understanding the damage that they're doing to all of us. We're breathing/eating/drinking it in all the time. 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is combustion derived pareticulates are implicated in  the disease types I mentioned.

 

Silicosis and asbestosis (pulmonary fibrosis) are  caused by non combustion derived particulates that are ingested and enter cells.

 

Tyres produce essentially micro plastic but the PFASs come from clothing, cooking utensils and industrial process chemicals, they are far more pervasive than I would have imagined. Because they are "forever chemicals" ,mostly only used since I was a teenager, the long term effects are yet to be seen, we breathe, eat and drink them by the million each day.

[GarethM]

17 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

 

The thing is combustion derived pareticulates are implicated in  the disease types I mentioned.

 

Silicosis and asbestosis (pulmonary fibrosis) are  caused by non combustion derived particulates that are ingested and enter cells.

 

Tyres produce essentially micro plastic but the PFASs come from clothing, cooking utensils and industrial process chemicals, they are far more pervasive than I would have imagined. Because they are "forever chemicals" ,mostly only used since I was a teenager, the long term effects are yet to be seen, we breathe, eat and drink them by the million each day.

So basically you're advocating sitting in the dark, probably semi nude unless it's woollen.

 

As the dastardly acrylic clothing is killing the planet ?.

[sime42]

15 minutes ago, openspaceman said:

 

The thing is combustion derived pareticulates are implicated in  the disease types I mentioned.

 

Silicosis and asbestosis (pulmonary fibrosis) are  caused by non combustion derived particulates that are ingested and enter cells.

 

Tyres produce essentially micro plastic but the PFASs come from clothing, cooking utensils and industrial process chemicals, they are far more pervasive than I would have imagined. Because they are "forever chemicals" ,mostly only used since I was a teenager, the long term effects are yet to be seen, we breathe, eat and drink them by the million each day.

 

PFASs like plastics are just to damn useful and convenient. If they weren't then we wouldn't be in this predicament. Plastics of course are now being pushed on us even harder because the oil industry is starting to lose its fuel revenues.

 

I think the long term effects are just beginning to be seen actually. Micro plastics and PFASs are both starting to be implicated in lots of serious health problems. Apparently someone did a study on the brains of Alzheimer's suffers, all had high concentrations of micro plastics present .............. too soon to decide between correlation and causation, but it's not going to be good news. Smoky wood burners will be small beer in comparison. 

 

 

 

 

[sime42]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

The lowest hanging fruit is undoubtedly those still burning coal. 

SNP tried it in Scotland as I’m sure some on here are aware. 

 

 

Coal smoke is worse than wood smoke due to the variety of toxic pollutants it releases, including sulfur dioxide and heavy metals, while wood smoke is primarily composed of carbon dioxide and water vapor, which are less harmful. However, wood burning still releases fine particulate matter (PM2.5) that is damaging to health. It is crucial to burn responsibly by using dry, seasoned wood, as burning wet or unseasoned wood produces significantly more smoke and pollution. 

 

AI alert!

No need. Pretty sure we all know the ins and outs of burning wood. Given the forum, and even the thread title.

 

 

 

 

[Johnsond]

18 minutes ago, sime42 said:

because the oil industry is starting to lose its fuel revenues

Incorrect 

The Labour government is shutting down the North Sea in an act of ideologically driven madness. Go across the line and see what the Norwegians are doing “ apart from selling more and more to the UK” @trigger_andy currently offshore over there at the minute and no doubt will verify they are absolutely flat out, in the meantime we are shedding jobs and revenue at a catastrophic rate. All due to Labours policies. 

Edited 39 minutes ago by Johnsond

[Johnsond]

9 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

AI alert!

No need. Pretty sure we all know the ins and outs of burning wood. Given the forum, and even the thread title.

 

 

 

 

The gene is strong tonight lad 

[openspaceman]

13 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Plastics of course are now being pushed on us even harder because the oil industry is starting to lose its fuel revenues.

I wonder, I would expect plastics to be a small part of oil use.

 

OTOH I like wood based things. The firm I first harvested for made brush heads, cotton reels (who can remember making  little machines to race with from a wooden cotton reels, lolly stick, rubber band and a disc cut from a candle?) , divan bed legs and other things I cannot remember. He said his sales dropped when the price of oil was low and firms like Addis could undercut him. 

 

Wooden tools could be re hafted and when their life was finished brushes and their natural fibre bristles just got eaten by fungi.

[openspaceman]

13 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

The gene is strong tonight lad 

No need to bicker, we have some common ground on this thread

[sime42]

14 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Incorrect 

The Labour government is shutting down the North Sea in an act of ideologically driven madness. Go across the line and se what the Norwegians are doing “ apart from selling more and more to the UK” @trigger_andy currently offshore over there at the mine will verify they are absolutely flat out, in the meantime we are shedding jobs and revenue at a catastrophic rate. All due to Labours policies. 

 

I'm thinking of the bigger picture Davey. You should do the same occasionally. I thought I was fairly obviously talking globally. The UK is hardly known for it's plastics production industry is it? So no, I wasn't presenting you with an opportunity to hyjack yet another decent thread to push one of your tedious agendas. Keep up.

 

Global plastic talks collapse as countries remain deeply divided

WWW.BBC.CO.UK

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The latest round of UN-led talks have ended in deadlock, with disputes over plastic production and recycling.

 

 

As if we're going to recycle our way out of this hole. Is that what you believe? I don't. Obviously the oil states are going to try to protect their revenues.