George Floyd, Tony Timpa

[Billhook]

Good balanced article here now followed by an equally harrowing video of the event which has surfaced. Indeed, why the difference, especially as Tony Timpa had called the police to help him as he was having a psychotic problem and had no criminal record.

 

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[rapalaman]

And we can guarantee there won’t be any kind of outcry about this death, on any scale like the George Floyd death though this one is potentially even worse.

the first link doesn’t open for me

[Billhook]

6 minutes ago, rapalaman said:

And we can guarantee there won’t be any kind of outcry about this death, on any scale like the George Floyd death though this one is potentially even worse.

the first link doesn’t open for me

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Is Police Brutality a Racial Issue simply because the Media says so?

Mark Meincke

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 11 months ago

 9 minute read

 

For the first time in my lifetime, there is finally a topic that has garnered ubiquitous agreement; George Floyd was murdered.  Absolutely nobody is challenging this assertion, and the cop who killed him along with his uniformed accomplices are almost certainly going to spend a long time in jail.  

George Floyd’s murder was the spark that lit a powder keg of frustration, pain, and outrage which has exploded across dozens of cities worldwide. His death has been interpreted as proof of the long-held, media endorsed belief that Cops are hunting and killing Black people, as if it was a sport.

Canadian news outlets parrot their American counterparts by repeatedly referring to the killing of Mr. Floyd as, “the RACIST murder of George Floyd”.  With relentless repetition, the “racist” murder narrative has easily convinced most people that the cop, Derek Chauvin killed Mr. Floyd, at least in part because of his skin colour.  Although no evidence has been presented to suggest that Chauvin had any history of racist comments, or associations with racist organizations, the conclusion by the media has been nearly unanimous. 

In criminal law, for a crime to exist, there must be two main elements: Actus Reus, and Mens Reus.  Actus Reus is the physical element of the crime, or the “act”, and Mens Reus is the mental element of the crime, or the “intention”.  The act is much easier to prove than the intention, but the intention doesn’t have to be proven. Intention can instead be assumed based on circumstances and past history.  Now that you have a lesson in Criminal Law 101, you may see a problem with the media narrative of George Floyds’ death being concluded as “racist”.  

Although it’s entirely possible that Derek Chauvin was in fact a murderous white supremacist, at this point we don’t have any actual evidence that would help us understand either his intentions, or his personal beliefs. All we know for sure is that Officer Chauvin’s arrest and control procedures were entirely wrong, and were certainly a major factor in the death of Mr. Floyd. Having a knee on a person’s neck for more than a few seconds is not an acceptable practice in any circumstance. 

But about those “protests”….

The public is absolutely justified in staging massive protests over the police brutality which caused a man to die unnecessarily.  Police must be held accountable for their actions, and change must happen to prevent similar instances in the future. The issue though, isn’t about the protests, it’s about the underlying assumptions being made which are fueling the protests.  

First, FBI statistics are not supportive of the assumption that black people die in custody more than white people. Though, there are other stats from other sources which strongly support this assumption, it’s difficult to know which stats to believe.  Even if the stats did show, without a doubt that black people die in custody more than white people, the only factor mentioned to explain this is “racism”. 

Has anyone asked the obvious question of, …why else could this be happening?  What other factors may be at play?

Did you know there is another segment of society who are just as likely to die in custody as black people?  Military Veterans. Since this segment can not be identified by race, religion, or heritage, what possible explanation could there be for Veterans to be dying in custody at nearly twice the rate of non-veterans?  It seems like a valid question to ask, and even an important question to ask in order for us to be able to better understand why some people die in custody more than others.  It seems there must be more to it than racism, but that’s not a question that anyone seems to be interested in asking. 

Without the media supported presumption that George Floyd’s murder was motivated by racism, the protests would not likely be morphing into full out criminal riots.  When the looting starts, the valid protests end. Adorning your living room with an ill-gotten 75” flatscreen does not honour the life of George Floyd, nor does it provide an argument for defunding the police.  

By fueling the violence both the media and many politicians have been partly responsible for the deaths of numerous police officers and civilians of all races. Anger over one death has caused the deaths of many others, and that is not an outcome that can be justified. 

 

In 2016, Tony Timpa died in Police custody in nearly the exact same way as George Floyd.  The main difference is that Mr. Timpa wasn’t arrested for committing a crime, instead Mr. Timpa called 911 for help because he was scared, and having a psychotic episode.  Tony Timpa asked the police for help, and within 15 minutes of the police arriving, Tony was dead.  Timpa was cuffed, and placed on his face with an officer kneeling on his back for several minutes.  Like Mr. Floyd, Mr. Timpa begged for help, said he couldn’t breath, and told the officer that they were killing him.  The Cops laughed and joked once Timpa lost consciousness, and like Floyd, they did not attempt to resuscitate him. 

Tony Timpa happened to be white.  The National media showed very little interest in the story, and the arresting officers were not fired, and did not do jail time even though the autopsy concluded the death as a Homicide. The three officers were charged, but the charges were all dropped, and they got off scot-free.  If the George Floyd protests are about Police Brutality, then where are the protests for Tony Timpa?  Why is his name not mentioned as a precursor to the current situation?  It seems that if the accusation of racism can’t be used, then the story will not be run. 

The media likes it when you’re angry, and they love it when you’re scared. The more frightened you are, the more you look to the media for answers. The more angry you are, the more likely you are to participate in newsworthy protests. Either way, the media wins at your expense. 

You should be outraged at the death of George Floyd, but if you’re not equally outraged about Tony Timpa, then you’re not really interested in Police reform.  

Most Police officers are dedicated public servants who are doing an impossible job. I’m not anti-cop in any way.  I am however anti-corruption no matter where I find it. Whether it’s in the media, with the Police, within the Government, corruption and abuse of power must be addressed, and fixed.  In the absence of good questions, and clear thought, corruption will always flourish. 

Mark Meincke
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[Dan Maynard]

That's thought provoking, and shocking actually on all kinds of levels.

[Billhook]

I see that Chauvin has been sentenced to 22.5 years whereas the Tony Timpa cops were let off .

If ever there was a modern day lynch mob trial this was it.

[Treerover]

I think administering “a powerful sedative” to someone who is a) on prescription medicine but more importantly b) has admitted to recently having taken class a drugs of unknown type or quantity is more irresponsible than the restraint which from my angle doesn’t look like a fatal position in itself ?

Interesting first article though .
I’m not sure whether a guilty cop accused of killing a black gang member would be expected to last very many years in prison.
Any sentence would mean life alas .

[AngrySquirrel]

On 30/05/2021 at 06:37, Billhook said:

Good balanced article here now followed by an equally harrowing video of the event which has surfaced. Indeed, why the difference, especially as Tony Timpa had called the police to help him as he was having a psychotic problem and had no criminal record.

 

Is Police Brutality a Racial Issue simply because the Media says so? - Todayville

WWW.TODAYVILLE.COM

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For the first time in my lifetime, there is finally a topic that has garnered ubiquitous agreement; George Floyd was...

 

 

 

'You're gonna kill me!': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life

WWW.DALLASNEWS.COM

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Tony Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as Dallas police officers pinned his shoulders, knees and...

 

Wasn't the only one there was a white guy staying at hotel that was on a job doing pest control they'd had a drink in room he was showing a couple of females his air rifle and someone screamed cops they turned up made him try to crawl on his knees with arms up(Which you can't do as totally unbalanced) he fell over they executed him!

[difflock]

25 minutes ago, AngrySquirrel said:

Wasn't the only one there was a white guy staying at hotel that was on a job doing pest control they'd had a drink in room he was showing a couple of females his air rifle and someone screamed cops they turned up made him try to crawl on his knees with arms up(Which you can't do as totally unbalanced) he fell over they executed him!

I was sent that footage by our son, and sat open-mouthed as it unfolded.

That particular cop should have been charged with murder for his disproportinate murderous  actions against a helpless  and non threating person.

Quite appalling.

[AngrySquirrel]

11 hours ago, difflock said:

I was sent that footage by our son, and sat open-mouthed as it unfolded.

That particular cop should have been charged with murder for his disproportinate murderous  actions against a helpless  and non threating person.

Quite appalling.

There's more than that one they beat a Child up well young guy in Canada working on his Families farm cut his head open! then later trashed there new Fendt big tractor once he was taken away yet the Woke/BLM lot wasn't interested.

[Billhook]

This lady has had a rough start to life under Islam and has been very courageous.  It is an hour long video but worth watching

She makes a valid point about the mainstream media’s emphasis on the Floyd case as opposed to the beheading of Samuel Pati as well as the teacher here in the Uk frightened for his life by Muslims. 
Start at 22 minutes if you are in a hurry 
The beheading of Pati should have had more coverage but we hear nothing now.