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are either both tory and labour tree planting promises remotely feasible ?

in terms of

land available

labour

supplies of planting stock preferably uk sourced

money   perhaps from magic money tree

or is it just more.................

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I like the idea that they realise they need to plant trees but the biggest problem I see is the after care. How many times have you seen guards left on too long, dead stock *patches or entire planting schemes*.

They have the money to plant them but not the follow up to actually get a decent mature tree.

Which for the benefits to be had the tree needs to reach maturity.

Just my 2 pence worth

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Are the numbers not massive, 30 mill from government/tories and 60 mill from lib dummies

 

At commercial spacng a ( ie 2m centre's) ur talking 400 hectares per mill trees ( approx 800 acresish) where's all this ground going to come from???

Even with softwood spacing ur talking 30% the size of kielder forest.

Not the sort of size ucan just conjour up.

Plus if hardwoods acreage will increase massively.

 

There is a massive shortage of softwood trees in the next few decades, but planting squads just can't keep up ( althou still paying them peanuts) same with mounding/ploughing most of the contractors can't find enough bums to put on seats.

 

 

Also on the ground thing, most likely source will be uplands ( esp if various folk get way and stop grouse shooting) upland heathland is quite rare globally and were always told how important peat is for carbon/global warming. Generally trees aren't very beneficial to peat infact with the draining ploughing and drying effect of trees will ruin the peat.

 

Just more BS from  politicians that know bugger all about anything really.

Sadly the norm now.

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The funding from government is coming in the form of the Urban Tree Challenge Fund.  It funds planting and (if I remember rightly) 2 years establishment costs.  It's all well and good but you've still got to find the land to plant the trees on and maintain them for the rest of their lives.  For councils the planting part isn't the problem.  It's the land and maintainence that is the issue.

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Punting it as a balance to climate change is just kicking the can down the road. What are they going to do in forty years time when they're all chopped down for firewood?

 

This election takes the cake for bullshit promises and pie in the sky policies, it really does.

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5 hours ago, david lawrence said:

are either both tory and labour tree planting promises remotely feasible ?

in terms of

land available

labour

supplies of planting stock preferably uk sourced

money   perhaps from magic money tree

or is it just more.................

Chances are it is just fulfilling the existing commitments to tree planting already made.  Not sure about the rest of the UK but last time I checked Wales was only meeting about 15% of it's own tree planting targets on public land.  So if they maybe get a bit closer to the targets already in place, perhaps they will indeed hit the new figures!

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1 hour ago, Squaredy said:

Chances are it is just fulfilling the existing commitments to tree planting already made.  Not sure about the rest of the UK but last time I checked Wales was only meeting about 15% of it's own tree planting targets on public land.  So if they maybe get a bit closer to the targets already in place, perhaps they will indeed hit the new figures!

 

Dunno how Scotland's doing, but a hell of a new planting gong on the now.

Never understand the whole grant thing, but absolutely throwing money at fencing side of it.

Got forestry companies putting thousands of m"s of deer fencing up when really very few deer and going to strip down again in 5 yes. Same valley all rabbit netted be lucky to area bloody rabbit up there.

 

Another site only about 50% of fencing is round woods rest round fields not even boundary with a wood and wangled on same grant, and it's 40 odd K meter, so not a small amount of fencing and fancy specs

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Problem with some  grants and ambitious targets  that it maybe be repeat of the NI cash for ash scandal but with with trees if not planned and regulated properly.

 

At least OTT fencing is better than planting trees then them getting eaten by sheep as fencing was rubbish as can  happened with a planting schemes that don't have a fencing bugdet.

 

 

 

Don't undestimate the goverments incompetance.

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