The beauty of the Tax System

[donnk]

The reason tax law is so complicated is the scum in parliament who make the laws have never worked a real job where you get your hands dirty in their life. So they have no life experience. A bit like school teachers who leave school, goto uni and then straight back to school to 'teach'. 

 

No wonder the kids today are turning out like they are.

 

Same with the 6th form socialists who think there is a magic money tree. always whining about 'austerity' and how we should be spending more on X, when we borrow billions every month as the tax take doesn't cover the monthly UK bill.

 

What do the mentally fucked in the head Labour want to do ? Increase the tax to make sure they take a lot less of it, thats how retarded they are. 

 

And as for the conservatives, they are simple labour with bigger personal bank balances.

 

Real Conservatives would be scrapping 'yuman rights' for the criminal, cracking down hard on the feckless dole scroungers, giving 10 years hard labour to thieves who steal a working mans tools and hanging the 'asian' pedo gangs by the score.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2019 by donnk

[Stephen Blair]

What if the kid stealing the working mans tools was a victim of an asian pedo gang, was now homeless and a drug addict to try and numb the irreversible pscychological and physical pain of his past so now does whatever it takes to get money to pay for his habit.

  Should he get 10 years hard labour?

 

what i

[Rob D]

4 hours ago, Billhook said:

 

So the producer pays 1% on all his raw materials and then when he sells his product on up through the chain to the super market and final customer each pays 1% on each transaction.  There would be no claiming back of tax to take out a raft of current bureaucracy which makes the current system so inefficient.

Any perceived inequalities on poorer people would be rectified by the benefits system.

 

Big flaw in my system is what to do with all the out of work VAT officers, tax collectors and accountants!

Yep if it could be done these people are on the whole hard working and inteligent - they must have some staying power to do the jobs they do! They could re train - what as would be another topic..

 

[trigger_andy]

20 hours ago, htb said:

Can I split into two posts then?

Sure, why not.

[trigger_andy]

9 hours ago, Stubby said:

If you look back I did say that was big of him .

But he wasn't, he just went in a huff.   

[Mark J]

I think that if say 85% of your tax bill goes to essential services - NHS, Highways, Emergency Services, Defense, Education etc, you should be able to choose how to distribute the rest yourself. For example you may prefer the rest of it to go on building green infrastructure, or give extra to healthcare. This could esily be done with current technology and may soften the blow.

 

 

 

[Johnsond]

5 hours ago, donnk said:

The reason tax law is so complicated is the scum in parliament who make the laws have never worked a real job where you get your hands dirty in their life. So they have no life experience. A bit like school teachers who leave school, goto uni and then straight back to school to 'teach'. 

 

No wonder the kids today are turning out like they are.

 

Same with the 6th form socialists who think there is a magic money tree. always whining about 'austerity' and how we should be spending more on X, when we borrow billions every month as the tax take doesn't cover the monthly UK bill.

 

What do the mentally fucked in the head Labour want to do ? Increase the tax to make sure they take a lot less of it, thats how retarded they are. 

 

And as for the conservatives, they are simple labour with bigger personal bank balances.

 

Real Conservatives would be scrapping 'yuman rights' for the criminal, cracking down hard on the feckless dole scroungers, giving 10 years hard labour to thieves who steal a working mans tools and hanging the 'asian' pedo gangs by the score.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I must admit I agree with most of that and whilst I can't stand the the policies and bullshit he spouts I do know of one ex miner who did graft for his money back in the day that being  Ronnie Campbell MP 

[AHPP]

I got fed up trying to argue with someone on this thread who kept putting words in my mouth etc but I'll dip back in to put a couple of ideas out there.

I say tax is bad because (among other things) it funds bad stuff. Some people say it's good because it funds good stuff. Good stuff to them is, for example, roads, hospitals and schools (though we should always remember that value is subjective). These things that people want/need are built and run by people. They get paid. In a system where the state wasn't providing these services, someone else would. The people who build and run the services would still get paid. The difference is that you don't have to pay politicians, civil servants and all the fucking rest as well.

A second argument can arise from the first. Some people contend that, without the government, nobody would provide certain services that people need/want. To that, I ask the question, "Do people really want/need whatever service?" If people do want/need it, they'd pay for it voluntarily. If they don't want/need it, why is the state sticking guns in people's faces to force them to pay for something they don't want/need?

The argument then usually goes towards, "How on earth do you expect people to pay for this very expensive thing?!" There are two answers: (1)If the state isn't taxing people like gang bang victims, they'll have more money. (2)If the state isn't destroying competition by operating a monopoly, competition will happen and the market will provide people with what they want for a price they can afford.

[trigger_andy]

On 16/01/2019 at 23:39, AHPP said:

I got fed up trying to argue with someone on this thread who kept putting words in my mouth etc but I'll dip back in to put a couple of ideas out there.

I say tax is bad because (among other things) it funds bad stuff. Some people say it's good because it funds good stuff. Good stuff to them is, for example, roads, hospitals and schools (though we should always remember that value is subjective). These things that people want/need are built and run by people. They get paid. In a system where the state wasn't providing these services, someone else would. The people who build and run the services would still get paid. The difference is that you don't have to pay politicians, civil servants and all the fucking rest as well.

A second argument can arise from the first. Some people contend that, without the government, nobody would provide certain services that people need/want. To that, I ask the question, "Do people really want/need whatever service?" If people do want/need it, they'd pay for it voluntarily. If they don't want/need it, why is the state sticking guns in people's faces to force them to pay for something they don't want/need?

The argument then usually goes towards, "How on earth do you expect people to pay for this very expensive thing?!" There are two answers: (1)If the state isn't taxing people like gang bang victims, they'll have more money. (2)If the state isn't destroying competition by operating a monopoly, competition will happen and the market will provide people with what they want for a price they can afford.

Still utter hippy nonsense. Just a more long winded version this time. We've already covered why these pie in the sky ideas are idiotic. Not only idiotic but utterly selfish too.  

Edited January 18, 2019 by trigger_andy

[Mesterh]

Well I for one am glad we are forced to pay taxes for many services, health service, roads, schooling, waste removal etc etc.

It is far better than the alternative, stopping ever 100 yards to pay road tolls while watching sick kids wandering about during school time fly tipping rubbish. Straight into third world poverty.

Mps claiming for duck houses and gardening and multi billion pound companies moving money about to show low profits are what need addressing imo.