Tree Id please

[richardwale]

On 14/10/2018 at 19:33, Mick Dempsey said:

Nah, was in Portugal recently, cork oaks look like quercis ilex.

Leaf or bark? Bark on the cork is totally different.

[Mick Dempsey]

7 hours ago, richardwale said:

Leaf or bark? Bark on the cork is totally different.

Leaf, at least from the car.

[Steve Bullman]

On 14/10/2018 at 19:11, Tom Richards said:

I'd say Quercus for sure . Is it evergreen ? lucombe oak

You nailed it Tom.  Just spoke to a local arborist who is familiar with the estate and gave me a positive ID

 

it’s a Lucombe Oak- Quercus x hispanica
A natural hybrid between Turkey and Cork oak

[Yournamehere]

9 hours ago, Steve Bullman said:

You nailed it Tom.  Just spoke to a local arborist who is familiar with the estate and gave me a positive ID

 

it’s a Lucombe Oak- Quercus x hispanica
A natural hybrid between Turkey and Cork oak

Thanks for the update;  good thread.

Alan Mitchell/Collins/FGttToBaNE/p236/my 1st ed; discusses the various varieties and leaf/bark types if you want more detail (and if it wasn't mentioned upthread). He identifies two major groups - type a, type b - and adds a diversifolia and a fulhamensis.

Happy days

Yourn

 

[daltontrees]

Thanks for the update and closure. Personally I stand corrected (it looked like petraea), aint never seen a Luncombe but look forward to meeting one some day.

[daltontrees]

Oops, Lucombe, not Luncombe

[devon TWiG]

Lucombe Oaks are quite common in my area (S Devon)    Lucombes nursery who invented them is near Exeter ...some pretty big ones as well ! 

[Steve Bullman]

4 minutes ago, devon TWiG said:

Lucombe Oaks are quite common in my area (S Devon)    Lucombes nursery who invented them is near Exeter ...some pretty big ones as well ! 

Are you sure they invented them?  My source told me it was a naturally occurring hybrid 

[Yournamehere]

32 minutes ago, Steve Bullman said:

Are you sure they invented them?  My source told me it was a naturally occurring hybrid 

Both right. x hisp. occurs naturally but mostly in southern europe (turkey x cork) but when first noticed by Lucombe at his nursery in Devon he propogated it vegetatively by grafting on to a turkey* and putting his name to it. Further seedlings from his nursery also carried his name and the name has stuck as an informal name for Q. x hisp.

Of the two varieties mentioned ^ one type is found mainly around Devon and rarely elsewhere; the other rarely around Devon and mainly elsewhere.

Is, briefly, my understanding after... ooh, minutes of intense study

 

* what?

[Tom Richards]

On 19/10/2018 at 09:03, Steve Bullman said:

You nailed it Tom.  Just spoke to a local arborist who is familiar with the estate and gave me a positive ID

 

it’s a Lucombe Oak- Quercus x hispanica
A natural hybrid between Turkey and Cork oak

Cheers Steve I've only ever seen one up in Derbyshire near dovedale and it had me foxed as it was mid winter and in full leaf. ?