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9 hours ago, FJMatt said:

The points would 

Be 

1, £300 a year better off due to not having to join a certification scheme 

as well as not having all the paperwork created by any scheme 

2, all those suppliers supplying substandard firewood to sell would be delt with directly by trading standards and delt with according. 

3, all those doing job correctly would have increased sales and with luck higher margins 

 

But if the responsibility lies with the retailer to keep it below 20%  having the manufacturers address wont help .

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2 hours ago, Stubby said:

But if the responsibility lies with the retailer to keep it below 20%  having the manufacturers address wont help .

Nether will a certification scheme 

 

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10 minutes ago, FJMatt said:

Nether will a certification scheme 

 

Exactly .

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7 minutes ago, Stubby said:

Exactly .

So you would be quite willing to join the "ready to burn" scheme and pay the annual subscription 

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2 minutes ago, FJMatt said:

So you would be quite willing to join the "ready to burn" scheme and pay the annual subscription 

Nope . Nowhere  have I said that .  What I am saying is it is un policeable what ever way you want to work it .

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15 hours ago, Mark Bolam said:

How clean is the energy that powers the kilns?

Now we're talking. The most poignant query so far. Old treated pallets, sandstone crates which are about as harmful as they come contaminated with methyl bromide all thrown in to dry firewood. Nice

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3 hours ago, Stubby said:

Nope . Nowhere  have I said that .  What I am saying is it is un policeable what ever way you want to work it .

Yes I agree 100%

But we all said the same with Bsl 

But that didn't stop them doing it, 

This clean air act ,carry on has been in talks with some of major firewood retailers for at least 18month that I know, 

There going to do it (government) , This last consultation survey is probably just a "smoke" screen, it's probably all agreed now 

 

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2 hours ago, richardwale said:

Now we're talking. The most poignant query so far. Old treated pallets, sandstone crates which are about as harmful as they come contaminated with methyl bromide all thrown in to dry firewood. Nice

Some of the kiln boilers will take stuff like that (the argument being if it's going to be burnt anyway it should be doing something useful) but most boilers won't last long if you do that and if you want to claim RHI it needs to be dry and from a sustainable source.

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36 minutes ago, gdh said:

Some of the kiln boilers will take stuff like that (the argument being if it's going to be burnt anyway it should be doing something useful) but most boilers won't last long if you do that and if you want to claim RHI it needs to be dry and from a sustainable source.

Surely its the chicken and egg situation?

 

how did they dry the wood for the kiln without it being kiln dried?

 

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Enforcement of this, there lies the problem.  There is so much that affects wood MC, it can reabsorb readily, and how do you even measure it?  Meter?  On what, one log, freshly split face, along the grain applying a certain minimum pressure to the pins, at the 'middle of the split' ... Or do you test multiple, or every log in the load?  Is an average below 20% ok, or must every tested piece be that dry?  Meters aren't the most accurate, should weight measurement and kiln drying be used to measure MC?  Who is going to do it?  Who is responsible for the product?  You soon need a paper trail from producer to retailer to customer.

 

Maybe instead the better way is customer education, customer responsibly too.  Customer emits smoke, customer in trouble, but help them through education.  How about clear, bold labelling on firewood products... Make it shocking even like smoking health warnings.' burning wet wood kills'.  ' if your wood smolders and smokes it's wet, return it to your retailer for a refund and seek a better supply'

 

 

 

 

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