Times are changing

[richardwale]

Burley for one will not validate a warranty issue if the thermometer is placed on the flu

[richardwale]

But probably best to ask a stove retailer as they know everything.

[Alycidon]

On 20/06/2018 at 14:45, richardwale said:

Some stove manufacturers won't validate a warranty if the customer uses a stove thermometer. I certainly don't use one as they massively increase the risk of over heating. Clear glass and flame pattern is all you need to judge a good fire. 

I am not aware of any stove manufacturer doing that,  I suppose some of the cheapy brands might try and use it as a cop out when their chinese castings crack or twist. Black glass is caused by shutting the secondary air right down usually to try and slumber the stove.   Stoves need to be burnt flat out all the time pretty well for minimum emissions and maximum efficiency.    Once they come into law ( probably 2020) the new EcoDesign regs will mean that stoves will not be able to be closed right down,  many (most) older design traditional stoves will go out of production.   I have 4 or 5 in the showroom to clear as they have been discontinued on that basis,

Edited June 25, 2018 by Alycidon

[difflock]

How on earth could using a stove thermometer invalidate the warranty?

but then Clive was refused a( very expensive Mazda) replacement wiper motor, during the warranty period, because he had invalidated the warranty by "missing" an oil change, for time reasons, Clive being a time served mechanic, had changed the oil and filter himself.

and the connection between lubrication oil and faulty electrics was  .  .  .

You invalidated the warranty Sir!

Monty Python's "Dead Parrot" sketch came to mind.

[Gary Prentice]

7 minutes ago, difflock said:

How on earth could using a stove thermometer invalidate the warranty?

but then Clive was refused a( very expensive Mazda) replacement wiper motor, during the warranty period, because he had invalidated the warranty by "missing" an oil change, for time reasons, Clive being a time served mechanic, had changed the oil and filter himself.

and the connection between lubrication oil and faulty electrics was  .  .  .

You invalidated the warranty Sir!

Monty Python's "Dead Parrot" sketch came to mind.

That's naughty, I'm sure that the courts have already decided that service work doesn't have to be done by the manufacturers franchised garage to maintain the warranty.  I remember my old dad getting written agreement to do his own oil changes and minor service items. Although that might have been after he painted some bolts, prior to taking it in, that the dealer should have tightened/undone to do something which they charged him for and didn't do 

[richardwale]

5 hours ago, difflock said:

How on earth could using a stove thermometer invalidate the warranty?

but then Clive was refused a( very expensive Mazda) replacement wiper motor, during the warranty period, because he had invalidated the warranty by "missing" an oil change, for time reasons, Clive being a time served mechanic, had changed the oil and filter himself.

and the connection between lubrication oil and faulty electrics was  .  .  .

You invalidated the warranty Sir!

Monty Python's "Dead Parrot" sketch came to mind.

Because most people place the thermometer on the flu pipe. Modern stoves are designed to combust all volatiles in the stove box therefore reducing the temperature of the emitting gases.

Sure some Chinese gear will be shoddy, but baffle plates etc are not designed for over heating. Easily done in the wrong hands.

Burn hot and steady, but absolutely do not rely on a £10 " stove accessory" to tell you if you are burning correctly.

 

 

 

 

 

[Alycidon]

6 hours ago, difflock said:

How on earth could using a stove thermometer invalidate the warranty?

but then Clive was refused a( very expensive Mazda) replacement wiper motor, during the warranty period, because he had invalidated the warranty by "missing" an oil change, for time reasons, Clive being a time served mechanic, had changed the oil and filter himself.

and the connection between lubrication oil and faulty electrics was  .  .  .

You invalidated the warranty Sir!

Monty Python's "Dead Parrot" sketch came to mind.

I have now been out of the motor trade for 10 years, but even then that was illegal.  

 

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[Alycidon]

1 hour ago, richardwale said:

Because most people place the thermometer on the flu pipe. Modern stoves are designed to combust all volatiles in the stove box therefore reducing the temperature of the emitting gases.

Sure some Chinese gear will be shoddy, but baffle plates etc are not designed for over heating. Easily done in the wrong hands.

Burn hot and steady, but absolutely do not rely on a £10 " stove accessory" to tell you if you are burning correctly.

 

 

 

 

 

Most baffle plates if cast or mild steel will buckle over time.  My home Morso Panther only ever burns wood, but I go through a baffle plate every 4 or 5 years.      Ironically the ones that dont seem to for some reason are stainless steel as fitted by Esse.

 

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[daveatdave]

7 hours ago, Gary Prentice said:

That's naughty, I'm sure that the courts have already decided that service work doesn't have to be done by the manufacturers franchised garage to maintain the warranty.  I remember my old dad getting written agreement to do his own oil changes and minor service items. Although that might have been after he painted some bolts, prior to taking it in, that the dealer should have tightened/undone to do something which they charged him for and didn't do 

the service has to be carried out by a VAT Registered garage and use genuine parts to uphold the warranty 

[Richard 1234]

the service has to be carried out by a VAT Registered garage and use genuine parts to uphold the warranty 

I’m fairly sure VAT has nothing to do with it! Genuine parts obviously need to be used.