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31 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

I couldn't find the part in the HWC that recommends riding 2-abreastb but there are these:

 

Maybe I was wrong about the highway code recommending...  But cycling safety organisations do.. 

Rule 66 states never ride more then two abreast.. Indicating that it is legal to ride two abreast and as that is safer it makes sense to do so.. 

 

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3 minutes ago, benedmonds said:

Maybe I was wrong about the highway code recommending...  But cycling safety organisations do.. 

Rule 66 states never ride more then two abreast.. Indicating that it is legal to ride two abreast and as that is safer it makes sense to do so.. 

 

It also states that you should ride single file on narrow or busy roads, this is where the problem lays. SOME, (read as lots) of cyclists don't do it.

 

I've nothing against cyclists, what with being one myself, and having rode motorbikes, and scooters for years.

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29 minutes ago, Graham said:

New one on me.  I always thought the Highway Code advised against that in times past.  I think problems occur through frustration on the motorist's part when some cyclists purposely make things as awkward as possible.

As a cyclist, especially when on the road with children, I will often make things awkward.  If a car thinks they can squeeze through a gap they will try and get too close. If you make it impossible for them to pass they will have to wait until it is safe.

 

Defensive riding position as taught when riding motor bikes..

 

Yes it can slow you down for 1 min...

 

 

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2 minutes ago, eggsarascal said:

It also states that you should ride single file on narrow or busy roads, this is where the problem lays. SOME, (read as lots) of cyclists don't do it.

How many car drivers overtake as set down by the highway code and demonstrated previously posted video?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2015/aug/11/how-to-overtake-cyclists-the-video-all-drivers-should-watch

 

As a cyclist you are going to come out worse in and incident so you have to be defensive. Obviously they're are "SOME" cyclists who are unreasonable, but they're are loads and loads of twats driving cars and trucks...

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2 minutes ago, benedmonds said:

How many car drivers overtake as set down by the highway code and demonstrated previously posted video?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2015/aug/11/how-to-overtake-cyclists-the-video-all-drivers-should-watch

 

As a cyclist you are going to come out worse in and incident so you have to be defensive. Obviously they're are "SOME" cyclists who are unreasonable, but they're are loads and loads of twats driving cars and trucks...

Fair play.

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35 minutes ago, benedmonds said:

As a cyclist, especially when on the road with children, I will often make things awkward.  If a car thinks they can squeeze through a gap they will try and get too close. If you make it impossible for them to pass they will have to wait until it is safe.

 

Defensive riding position as taught when riding motor bikes..

 

Yes it can slow you down for 1 min...

 

 

I'd agree that vehicles will, if they think they can, try and squeeze past and that "standing proud" and holding your line so as to not give the option is a better course of action - take away any confusion and make your intentions clearly known.  It's safer if one stops rather than having 2 passing at speed.  I walk the dog on a narrow lane where 2 cars can just pass, but not if there is a pedestrian there.  Rather than step in and cower into the bank, I step out and make it obvious that there isn't enough room.  All road users have equal right to be there.

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9 minutes ago, benedmonds said:

 

If only large groups of cyclist were as considerate as that. IME they are not. One local club had probably 100 riders sprawled out over a mile or so of just two lane roads. Some clubs need some clear guidance and it would be great if the videos above were used for instruction for both parties. Maybe we should have public information films back on the TV

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Big groups are the problem.

They seem to develop a ‘this is our road today’ mentality.

If they are having some kind of ‘event’ they’re even worse.

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59 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

Big groups are the problem.

They seem to develop a ‘this is our road today’ mentality.

If they are having some kind of ‘event’ they’re even worse.

Most individual car drivers take the position "this is our road" every day.....

 

Surely if there is a big group of road users (on bikes) wanting to do something then democratically they should  have the right to do that, even if it inconveniences a few car drivers..?

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