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2 hours ago, Gary Prentice said:

It’s bleeding heart liberals like you who ruining this country! :lol:

xD

 

Have you seen planes, trains and automobiles? (brilliant film, watch it if you havent) The bit where Steve Martins character gets picked up by the bollocks is excellent, that is how thieves should moved about.

 

 

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 It makes you wonder why we are paying tax for the police that clearly cannot do the job. I think it’s about time the whole of the criminal system is revamped and to say, “no comment’ to me is I saying you are clearly guilty.  It may be time to have the debates about travelling sites and the amount of criminality that is going on on some of the sites that need to be shut down. To be honest I think when  you get robbed don’t bother calling the police seriously yo are going to get annoyed because they are useless. Try and get as many boys together as possible and weapons and go to the site and light it up ..

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we are all targets for these people, they network and share info about us, our tools, plant, vehicles and security arrangements. Get together with local tree firms and do the same back, share vehicle types and registrations, names and locations and any other intelligence on them...its a two way street.

Make it harder for them to steal your kit by fitting trackers and remote alarms covered by CCTV...and be prepared to react to it 24/7. If the Police are slow to react or dont turn up at all in your area, get a group of willing men who will respond to a call...and you them...and practice deploying into the area of your yard.

Go through various scenario's and how you will deal with them if they arise.

We all need to be proactive and deal with this threat realistically, being proactive will lead you to a video of yourself being robbed and grinning faces walking free from court...you have to catch them hands on...with or without the help of the Police - and deal with them accordingly. Good luck.

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as nice at it would seem to beat the granny out of thieves in our yards, the reality is somewhat different. Obviously you are entitled to defend yourself and your property (using the minimum amount of force necessary to achieve your objective). It would be very easy to end up in Court with your own CCTV footage as the evidence used against you. 

Also, using violence against some people provokes more violence from them and their associates/family. How far would you be prepared to go in escalating violence?. 

The best option is to respond to an ongoing burglary with the Police in attendance, or if they cannot attend or will be arriving too late to prevent the theft, be prepared to defend yourself within the guidelines of the law. Its all easier said than done, but something we all need to prepare for.

 

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"A citizen's arrest is permitted to be made on any person under section 24A of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 for an indictable offence, including either way offences (in this section referred to simply as "an offence"), but excluding certain specific ones listed below; the Ministry of Justice publishes a list of indictable offences on its website.[43] It is thus permissible for any person to arrest:

  • Anyone who is in the act of committing an offence, or whom the arrestor has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be in the act of committing an offence, or
  • Where an offence has been committed, anyone who is guilty of that offence or whom the arrestor has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of it.

A person cannot make a citizen's arrest before an offence takes place (excluding any indictable offence covered by the Criminal Attempts Act 1981), but they may prevent the commission of further offences at the time, e.g. a person arrested to cease further criminal damage.However, Section 3 of the Criminal Law Act 1967 allows any person to use reasonable force for the prevention of crime. This would not allow a citizen's arrest before an offence takes place but would allow any person to use reasonable force to prevent an offence from occurring; for example, restraining a suspected offender who raised a brick in their hand in order to imminently smash a window.

"Any person" powers can be used to arrest before an offence occurs as long as the offence in question falls within the Criminal Attempts Act 1981. This act creates the offence of an attempted offence, as long as the offence being attempted is an indictable one. For this to apply, the offence must actually be in the process of being attempted  – preparatory steps are not sufficient. For example, putting gloves on to smash a car window would not suffice, but the throwing of a brick at the window would.

In order for the arrest to be lawful, the following two conditions must also be satisfied:

  • It appears to the person making the arrest that it is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make the arrest instead;
  • The arrestor has reasonable grounds for believing that the arrest is necessary to prevent one of the following:
    • The person causing physical injury to himself or others;
    • The person suffering physical injury;
    • The person causing loss of or damage to property;
    • The person absconding before a constable can assume responsibility for him.

Use of the second power above can be risky if not used correctly as it relies upon the person carrying out the arrest knowing that an offence has been committed, of which in itself needs to be indictable or either way offence. The Act therefore gives a constable additional powers under section 24 to arrest the following:

  • Anyone who is (without doubt) about to commit an offence, or whom the constable has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be about to commit an offence;
  • Anyone whom the constable has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of an offence which is merely suspected to have taken place.

A constable's arrest power is not limited to indictable offences, and conditions different from the above apply.

However, a citizen's arrest cannot be made:

In addition to the above, a private person may be authorised to execute an arrest warrant, if the court issuing the warrant has given them the authority to do so.

A citizen's arrest may also be made technically for a warrant for an arrest if the offence listed is indictable as there is no law prohibiting a re-citizen's arrest or the number of times they may be arrested for it nor is there a time limit. The warrant would satisfy the requirement for the arrester to have reasonable grounds to suspect the guilt of the arrestee."

 

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Can I try to put it another way.

 

These people are there to take our gear without us realising until they've "done one". They will do ANYTHING to get away. 

 

This talk about confronting them is just that, talk. Yes, we can and should defend our own property, but keep it in the back of your mind that these people don't want to get captured. They know if they do they could go to prison, they try to avoid this!

 

Don't think the law will be on your side if you go "over the top" to protect your property.

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