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That's good to know. Maybe I'll wait for next year's black Friday deal on a vertec then.

No shit 42, I think everyone on here gets that don’t you 🤷‍♂️so “ no need”.

The fungi will get Alzheimer’s and forget how to do it though.

That's true on the M500 too, agreed it really helps with Y forks as the hopper sides go down parallel to the blade. Blades are expensive though.

Or just get spare saw out of the van ...

<I wonder, I would expect plastics to be a small part of oil use.> - I think you'll be surprised. And as I say, as it'll grow as fuel usage for oil declines. Wood is an absolute wonder material when you think about it. It has so many diverse properties and uses. It can be grown, cut, planed, smoothed, polished, screwed, nailed, glued, bent, laminated, burnt .............. It's almost infinitely repairable. And when it's reached the end of its useful life it's just good fungi, plant and micro organism food. Plastic on the other hand. It's always frustrating when a plastic thing breaks, it's generally very hard, normally impossible, to repair so just ends up as waste. With a half life of hundreds or thousands of years. But, it does readily breakdown enough to release toxic micro fibres and particles. Oh, and it's also full of other chemicals just itching to leach out. It's lovely stuff. People are discovering/developing fungi that can devour plastic, but I doubt it'll ever be enough to address the problem.

Right, so in your utopia we stopped using plastic tomorrow morning 9am. What do we do with it all, don't you dare say recycle as that's just fluffy language. Dig up all the waste dumps and incinerate, as that plastic takes what a million years to just turn into yet more micro plastic and chemical wastes!.

Yes a school boy mistake I should of tried a spray cleaner but I tried the old wire brush and it dident do for me 😔

You are correct, Globally, about 6% of oil is used for plastics, which is a small portion compared to the 87% used for transport, heating, and electricity. In 2019, this amounted to 9 million barrels of oil per day, but projections show this demand could increase significantly. While plastics are made from oil and gas feedstocks, some alternatives like bio-based plastics use renewable resources.

42 you mentioned Oil Companies revenues being lost, apart from the UK sector that is factually incorrect. I’ll leave you to it lad, you are obviously judging by your AI post and the last one itching for an argument. Shit stirring for the sake of it will do no one any favours.

Many thanks for all replies. There is no water supply at the field. Approx how many refills might I need for a 10-15L sprayer? I will do the proper maths but currently looking for an approximate figure if possible.

I thought so too The “AI alert “ post was totally pointless

I'm thinking of the bigger picture Davey. You should do the same occasionally. I thought I was fairly obviously talking globally. The UK is hardly known for it's plastics production industry is it? So no, I wasn't presenting you with an opportunity to hyjack yet another decent thread to push one of your tedious agendas. Keep up. Global plastic talks collapse as countries remain deeply divided WWW.BBC.CO.UK The latest round of UN-led talks have ended in deadlock, with disputes over plastic production and recycling. As if we're going to recycle our way out of this hole. Is that what you believe? I don't. Obviously the oil states are going to try to protect their revenues.

No need to bicker, we have some common ground on this thread

Grass will absolutely kill your trees via root competition for water. Plus voles will nest/find cover in it if thick (assuming no further grazing/cutting due to the trees) and eat your trees. 2000 trees should take about half a day or less for an experienced operator using a bog standard 15l knapsack, provided the trees are not miles away from each other. You don't want anything heavier on your back and there is no need for any convoluted contraptions or mechanical means as the trees are in shelters. Spray a circle around the base of the trees, make sure it is about a 1m across (0.5m radius) I suggest using Kerb Flo against the grass, it is a residual herbicide & doesn't affect anything else, even if you overspray the trees (no chance of that in the shelters anyway). Must be used in December and January, needs frost for activation. Light rain is helpful, don't spray when frozen or during heavy rain. Read the label, as usual. If the winter is as mild in your area as in mine, and or there are other things than grass are present you want to combine Kerb Flo with glyphosate even in the winter. This is all you need for the first season. If you did the Kerb right (you should end up with a bare patch of earth) and have nothing else growing on the field, you might not need to spray until the year after next. Docks and other nasties will conqueror the bare patch afterwards (or grass occasionally); as and when this happens go back with glyphosate April/May time each year. If you have strong bramble, you can use Grazon. Did I say always read the label and follow all relevant legislation, use of PPE and all that? Or pay someone to do it for you, if they know what are they doing should be done before lunchtime. Should be one man day plus some chemicals.

I wonder, I would expect plastics to be a small part of oil use. OTOH I like wood based things. The firm I first harvested for made brush heads, cotton reels (who can remember making little machines to race with from a wooden cotton reels, lolly stick, rubber band and a disc cut from a candle?) , divan bed legs and other things I cannot remember. He said his sales dropped when the price of oil was low and firms like Addis could undercut him. Wooden tools could be re hafted and when their life was finished brushes and their natural fibre bristles just got eaten by fungi.

The gene is strong tonight lad

Incorrect The Labour government is shutting down the North Sea in an act of ideologically driven madness. Go across the line and see what the Norwegians are doing “ apart from selling more and more to the UK” @trigger_andy currently offshore over there at the minute and no doubt will verify they are absolutely flat out, in the meantime we are shedding jobs and revenue at a catastrophic rate. All due to Labours policies.

AI alert! No need. Pretty sure we all know the ins and outs of burning wood. Given the forum, and even the thread title.

A can of spray contact cleaner can work wonders followed by some wraps of self amalgamating tape.

PFASs like plastics are just to damn useful and convenient. If they weren't then we wouldn't be in this predicament. Plastics of course are now being pushed on us even harder because the oil industry is starting to lose its fuel revenues. I think the long term effects are just beginning to be seen actually. Micro plastics and PFASs are both starting to be implicated in lots of serious health problems. Apparently someone did a study on the brains of Alzheimer's suffers, all had high concentrations of micro plastics present .............. too soon to decide between correlation and causation, but it's not going to be good news. Smoky wood burners will be small beer in comparison.

So basically you're advocating sitting in the dark, probably semi nude unless it's woollen. As the dastardly acrylic clothing is killing the planet ?.

Yes I missed that but no need to shout, Mr. Tuley hadn't gone into production then so we only had spiral guards , it was pre FEPA when I used pesticides. BTW I am not sanguine about exposing the bark of young broadleaves to glyphosate.

It’s not a plot or a scam, the vertec is just better. Since getting one my RRP hasn’t come out of the truck once. There’s basically no break in period, it’s really easy to adjust and they’ve done away with the shitty slick pins. The pulley thing is a bit of a low move, but honestly, even without one it’s better than the RRP, I’m not rushing out to buy it.