Elm id please?

[treerjb]

Not great with Elms, but spotted this tree recently in a garden next to a busy road.

 

About 30m tall, suckering from base, large spreading crown.

 

Leaf very rough and glossy on top, less rough and downy below.

 

Largest length of leaf shown is 12cm length x 7cm across.

 

The petiole length is circa 10mm to nearest lobe.

 

I dont think it can be Wych or English, due to leaf shape, petiole size, and leaf not covering the stalk.

 

Not like any of the Brighton Elms, apart from Wych (similar).

 

Maybe Dutch Elm or a Hybrid Elm, such as 'Lobel'?

 

Many thanks in advance for any suggestions.

 

I may be able to get a photo of the tree next few days.

[agg221]

Suckering so not Wych elm (U. glabra). Leaves are rather large for U. minor, so I would go for a hybrid.

 

Not immediately obvious which hybrid, and of course it could in theory be a natural hybrid, although it isn't in a normal location for one as it is outside of the normal distribution for U. glabra and English Elm is pretty difficult to hybridise from. 30m is pretty tall, any indication of age? A photo of the crown would also help.

 

Alec

[Stubby]

One leaf does look kinda Wych Elm but the rest look sorta American Elm .