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Is there anyway we can stop these idiots installing bio chip boilers and taking valuable hardwood out of the firewood market. Why don't they just use softwood and let us who run small firewood businesses use the hardwood.

I am after 50-75 tonnes of ash or mixed hardwood delivered to South Leicestershire. If anyone can help email [email protected] or phone 07905242762. Cheers.

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Supply and demand.

Apart from becoming as efficient as you can be, you will either have to pay more for your input timber or charge more for your finished product.

Or move into the softwood for wood stove business.

Or buy your own native species woodland. In which case, you should still input your raw timber at the value it would be on the open market.

Or get on the bio chip band wagon.

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Caveman's right. The laws of market behaviour mean that unless we get regulatory intervention (highly unlikely) then firewood logs will become a premium product in due course.

 

I've already gone down that path. Better to make the same money from small volume than constantly struggle for higher input volumes.

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Unfortunately the firewood market is so insignificantly small and full of hassle for forestry business that you are lucky if you can reliably buy timber. hauliers hate carrying stuff to firewood guys they want to run from forest to mill no hassles as many times a day as they can then go home. You may think you are big time when you take 500t a year but you are playing in the forestry game where a harvester can chuck out 100-150t every day and is probably working in a 5000t clearfell. The best you can do is make it as easy as possible for wagons, dont ask them to put half the load in one place and half in another, clear any low branches, remember the loader goes a lot higher than the cab, and can knock branches down onto the cab. Pay up when asked to and dont wind anybody up.

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Is there anyway we can stop these idiots installing bio chip boilers and taking valuable hardwood out of the firewood market. Why don't they just use softwood and let us who run small firewood businesses use the hardwood.

I am after 50-75 tonnes of ash or mixed hardwood delivered to South Leicestershire. If anyone can help email [email protected] or phone 07905242762. Cheers.

 

There are chip boiler installers on here, whom you call idiots. However I do agree that hardwood should be robustly diverted from biomass use. The pic attached is of 600 ton of oak and beech destined to be chipped; flippin nuts imo and not economically sound either. Very hard on the chipper, the contractor will be putting a premium on that job and rightly so.

 

Unfortunately the firewood market is so insignificantly small and full of hassle for forestry business that you are lucky if you can reliably buy timber. hauliers hate carrying stuff to firewood guys they want to run from forest to mill no hassles as many times a day as they can then go home. You may think you are big time when you take 500t a year but you are playing in the forestry game where a harvester can chuck out 100-150t every day and is probably working in a 5000t clearfell. The best you can do is make it as easy as possible for wagons, dont ask them to put half the load in one place and half in another, clear any low branches, remember the loader goes a lot higher than the cab, and can knock branches down onto the cab. Pay up when asked to and dont wind anybody up.

 

Different experience here. Hauliers like the cashflow advantages of fitting in firewood drops in between mill runs.

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