Welcome to the Arbtalk.co.uk | Discussion Forum for Arborists.

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.


General chat Discuss every day issues in the tree care industry. If you're unsure where to post your topic please choose this forum.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 06-09-10   #1 (permalink)
Supporting member, Raffle sponsor 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
 
Mick Stockbridge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Rainham, Kent.
Posts: 9,119
Welding.

Got next to no experience with it. I have a couple of minor jobs I need doing ie bit of bodywork on the tranny and some welding on a mini crane (just bracing it to the tranny).

I am going to buy one of these for the job unless I'm advised otherwise.
Clarke 160N Easi-arc Welder - Machine Mart
Anyone got any tips on welding?
Mick Stockbridge is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-10   #2 (permalink)
Senior Member, Raffle Sponsor 2012, 2013
 
armchairarborist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Hootersville
Posts: 2,621
Re: Welding.

shut your eyes and go for it.. erm i mean get some scrap bits of metal and weld them together till it looks right, i used body panels and tin snipped them into strips then welded them back together for practice, thicker stuff is easier to do so practice on thin stuff..
armchairarborist is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-10   #3 (permalink)
Supporting Member, Raffle Sponsor 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 8,040
Re: Welding.

I only use mig welders but I know that with mig you want the metal nice and clean with no rusty bits and definitely no paint, grease etc, as they burn they affect the weld.

I think the arc is a bit more forgiving than the mig but I always found mig to be a lot easier to use.

Make sure you get the right rods to do the job ie thickness of metal etc.

If the bodywork is very thin metal you might struggle to not blow holes in it.

OH BIG TIP, DO NOT GET ARC EYE!!!! Keep the mask on!
Mesterh is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-10   #4 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
combined tree services's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 3,838
Re: Welding.

if you are looking to carry out work to panels on the tranny i would not be too keen on using an arc welder as its harder to weld very thin metal and especialy if there is and rot in the area your welding . personally i would look to get a mig welder , if you get a mig welder arround the 190 amp area then im pretty sure you will be able to weld pretty much anything you will ever need to weld , migis certainly much easyer and much more forgiving im my oppinion
__________________
I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow is not looking good either

apparently the people of Basra dont like the flintstones .....
But the people of Abu Dhabi do !!!!!
combined tree services is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-10   #5 (permalink)
Supporting member, Raffle Sponsor 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: central scotland
Posts: 6,406
Re: Welding.

You will be going some to do the body panels with a stick welder mick they are a bit fierce and better for heavier stuff, i would go for a mig i use a 160 mig and find it fine for what i use it for, i run it no gas for welding outside if i am doing railings and put the gas through it if i want a nicer cleaner weld in the workshop. If i am welding heavier 2mm + steel i use the arc.
Do you not know anyone with a couple of welders to give you a shot?
__________________
" Never regret getting older, it's a privilege denied to many "
Robert.S is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-10   #6 (permalink)
Senior Member, Raffle Sponsor 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
 
testcricket01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Kings Lynn
Posts: 2,721
Re: Welding.

just remember a neat weld isnt always a strong weld, alot of people make more effort in makeing it look neat and dont pay enough attention to if its penetrated both metals properly.
testcricket01 is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-10   #7 (permalink)
Senior Member, Raffle Sponsor 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
 
treequip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: The Republic of Saddleworth
Posts: 7,545
Re: Welding.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick Stockbridge View Post
Anyone got any tips on welding?
Donít buy that one. Itís a stick welder or Manual Metal Arc (MMA). It uses fluxed steel rods for the filler and you havenít a prayer of welding anything less than 1.5mm thickness.

Have a look for a small MIG set. (Borrow one if you can) Metal Inert Gas (MIG) uses a thinner wire for the filler and an inert gas rather than flux for the shield. (you can get internal fluxed wire but we arenít going there).

Mig will allow you to weld the tranny tinwork. Nice and steady for the thin stuff. If you are replacing panels drill the spot welds out clamp in place and re weld the spots. If itís a patch make small spots and keep filling in the gaps, donít do too much at once or the panel can go strange shapes with the heat.

Andy
__________________
Freelance climber, tracked chipper hire.
Saddleworth, Paris and Rome, but mostly Saddleworth
treequip is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-10   #8 (permalink)
Supporting member, Raffle sponsor 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
 
Mick Stockbridge's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Rainham, Kent.
Posts: 9,119
Re: Welding.

Great, thanks for the replies. Looks like I'll have to up my budget and get this then. What d'ya reckon? Complete package for under £300.

Clarke MIG Welder (Turbo) - 151TE - Machine Mart
Mick Stockbridge is online now  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-10   #9 (permalink)
Supporting Member, Raffle Sponsor 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013
 
slack ma girdle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Pembroke, sunny west Wales
Posts: 2,529
Re: Welding.

I am making my own storage units from 1mm steel (scrounged old tables from my local school), and i am welding it together with 1.6mm sticks and my arc welder on its lowest setting. Even so i am still managing to blow the occasional hole in the metal. Transit panels are even thinner, so i recon that you will have no chance at welding with an arc welder.
__________________
Slack ma girdle
I can spot a tree at 100 yards
slack ma girdle is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 06-09-10   #10 (permalink)
Senior Member
 
combined tree services's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Cornwall
Posts: 3,838
Re: Welding.

Quote:
Originally Posted by slack ma girdle View Post
I am making my own storage units from 1mm steel (scrounged old tables from my local school), and i am welding it together with 1.6mm sticks and my arc welder on its lowest setting. Even so i am still managing to blow the occasional hole in the metal. Transit panels are even thinner, so i recon that you will have no chance at welding with an arc welder.
how many amps are you using ? . i tried to use an inverter arc welder to weld some 1.5mm steel and still found that either the set was turned down to low or was burning holes lol.

if i was to go for a mig welder for doing any work to bodu work on vehicles and yet still be powerfull to weld upto 2mm steel i would look for something like a Cebora 190 autostar - very very good welders
__________________
I can only please one person per day. Today is not your day. Tomorrow is not looking good either

apparently the people of Basra dont like the flintstones .....
But the people of Abu Dhabi do !!!!!
combined tree services is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Stick welding Andy Collins General chat 30 13-11-09 01:22 PM


Find tree care advice

Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0